Anti-hoon laws - your opinion?

[red17]

Youve highlighted a good point 13_devil and JimiH, that whilst none of us are angels, we all have our limits in which we drive from time to time. But is our opinion on what stupid driving is considered the same as a police officer? or your average joe on the street? The line in that regard is very blurry, whats spirited driving in my eyes could be construed as "hooning" in anothers.

[Dsturbd]

The cops wont pick you up if your driving sensible....

[RB20LagWagon]

But seriously how DANGEROUS is a burnout, it is very very very unlikely to cause death, yet to luse your car, for any amount of time, for doing one is just rediculas, how many people have died due to doing a burnout? Drink driving, excessive speeding, actual dangerous driving yer thats bad but an actual burnout? You could commit some much more serious crimes and get less punishment.

[Dsturbd]

Havnt seen any one die from doing a skid but seen some good crashes :headspin:

[RB20LagWagon]

Crashes, usually involving an inanimate object like a wall or a pole and is usually the best thing to give them a wake up call, wouldnt you agree?

[JH32]

Crashes, usually involving an inanimate object like a wall or a pole and is usually the best thing to give them a wake up call, wouldnt you agree?

Definitely agree

[JH32]

That's for burnouts though .... I don't care if people do burnouts as they're usually not hurting anybody except themselves if they crash, and their tyres.

But drink driving ... excessively speeding ... etc ... that's what needs to be addressed by these new anti hoon laws.

[Kaido_RR]

i would also like those issues 2 be addressed JiMiH, also like to see the issue of police targeting groups of cars or people also addressed

[Kaido_RR]

just on the point of street racing; i have always wonder if street racing is that dangrous (wait for my explaing)

if it is not orgaisned (e.g. just drag someone off the lights) i found that , that may course more dangour.

But if it is orgaisned isnt it controll 2 a point (i dont know here i am just guess, from watching 2f2f im guess im right )

[skyzerr33]

To a degree i agree with the law. ie something has to be done to incourage the people that abuse it to stop.

but loosing a car that in most cases is over 20k is a horrible punishment. it can financially ruin a person for a long time, for something they may not have done.

as mentioned before by zanda, this law is open to be abused by the police ie targetting the performance car community and bad press getting the public offside.

the government and police need to tread carefully to make sure if passed this law is carried out fairly.

[Sneeza]

illegal street racing is very dangerous Mike.... people are standing metres away from the cars, all it takes is for one mistake and alot of people are hurt. There are no safety barriers or anything, like what is at the plex

[Elithrar]

Also, I must add: excessive speed is not always breaking the speed limit. You can be doing 50kms, at night in the wet, crash, and the cause of the accident would most likely be excessive speed. Their (the authoritys') argument is that people should know when to slow down -- but how can they when the driver training is pathetic? I will be beginning to drive in a few months, and the handbooks are pretty vague and uninformative. And you would think that posted speed limits would cover all conditions...

[rob77]

How about in order for someone to purchase a car with xxx HP they need to do an advanced driver training course to ensure they can handle it. I'm all for self improvement and feel that the money earned from traffic infringments be spent on educating the public on how to drive rather than pointing the finger as always though its been the stupid few that have ruined it for us enthusiasts. The number of times I have seen that yellow skyline on the news doing a rolling burnout through a public carpark I'm sure he thought he was dog top back then. As a point of interest does anyone know what happens to the money from the speed camera fines? Anyone got any figures on how much they raise in revenue per year? With all that extra earning how about they give us a tax break *chuckle* Speaking of fines I got flashed on the way to work a couple of weeks back, 7km's over the limit $100 fine and 1 point lost.... geeez its so annoying when you get a fine like that.

[Hobzai]

Whilst I believe what Ms Roberts has introduced to parliament is a good idea in principle, I have grave doubts about the rank & file police officers willingness to constructively enforce it.

Ms Roberts may see it as a method of removing unruly & dangerous drivers from our roads - and so say all of us. BUT - it's yet another metaphorical blunt object with which traffic police may beat us around the head. It'll be another thing added to the ubiquitous roadside ultimatum: "Don't get smart, mate, or I'll..."

Having been pulled over a while ago for an obscured numberplate on the bike and treated like I was carrying weapons grade anthrax to a primary school fete, I have no doubt about how this new measure will be enforced. Sour grapes? Well of course it is! We'll see in the months to come if I am correct, though.

If there are officers subscribing to this forum who disagree - well, we all be tarred with yon same brush, and so shall ye. Here endeth the lesson.

I sincerely hope that common sense prevails, we see the new laws respected & enforced properly and in the end less of us have to attend our friends' funerals (it's not a nice thing to go through). The trouble with common sense is - IT'S NOT THAT COMMON. And I mean that on BOTH SIDES of this here fence. Keep it in your pants and you get to keep your car. Think of it as a privilege that may be withdrawn.

Red_17 raises a good point re: datalogging. But how many of our judiciary would be familiar with its use? To many of them, SMS messaging is a fun new thing the young people use.

Hobzai.

[MirKz]

yeh rob im waitin for mine, got flashed 2... maybe 3 weeks back still waitin for the ticket, was around 10km over. (sorry 4 whore...)

but i agree with the driver training.... good idea with having to have a 'liscense' to have a car with a certain amount of HP.... i mean they do it for bikes... dont they... why not cars?

[MirKz]

i think there should be a new "road patrol" or something brought out, and all they do in enforce laws like this etc, and normal police should stick to their usual crap (pickin up kids with no helmets etc etc) at least this way the 'road patrol' would have to go through training and pretty much KNOW just the road rules etc and its laws with various things, and also KNOW the laws when it comes to giving out yellows etc etc... ya get me?

[Elithrar]

As much as I am for advanced driver training, quite a few people would use it as an excuse to drive dangerously on the road; as, of course "they can handle their car under these conditions."

The threads at both antilag.com and silviawa.com also raise some interesting issues -- and, as always, heavily conflicting viewpoints.

[rob77]

Having met most of the people on this forum from WA I doubt anyone on here would use the excuse "i can drive dangerously because I have completed a course to drive this HP rated car in these conditions". If you're caught doing something you weren't supposed to be doing own up and confess don't play hardball as your more likely to get dragged over the coal pit by doing so. A while back I was caught doing 30km/hr over the limit (and it wasnt in the skyline, this was 7-8 years ago) the police car was heading the opposite direction and saw me speeding off so they stopped in traffic and proceeded to chase me, seeing the lights and hearing the siren going I immediately pulled over and waited for them to catch up in the end we were both courteous to each other and they didnt ask me to pop the hood or threaten me and I was only fined $150 and 3 points I'm sure the fine at the time would have been higher than that.

[Kaido_RR]

illegal street racing is very dangerous Mike.... people are standing metres away from the cars, all it takes is for one mistake and alot of people are hurt. There are no safety barriers or anything, like what is at the plex

ohhh ok liz, never been 2 one and dont want 2

[rob77]

illegal street racing is very dangerous Mike.... people are standing metres away from the cars, all it takes is for one mistake and alot of people are hurt. There are no safety barriers or anything, like what is at the plex

People can still be hurt/killed at controlled motorsport area's such as that marshall at the australian formula one and I am sure a child was killed at the speedway when a tyre flew off a car and struck him/her. Motorsport in any form is dangerous be it illegal or legal