Why Garrett?

[Birds]

lol, move to Melbourne...then we'll talk

If you really want to be different, we can try for an east-west LS1 setup...

[islade]

I didn't wanna start a thread just to ask this question, so i'll chuck it in here

I've got a GT3076 56T with a 0.82 housing and a 50mm external gate, currently 249kw at 1.1bar.

When I eventually get my rb25 engine rebuild, how much power do you think i could get out of this turbo, and what sort of boost would i have to run?

I've seen a few people getting 300kw on 98 fuel and 325kw on e85... is that about what i can expect? Or is higher possible?

[TiTAN]

I didn't wanna start a thread just to ask this question, so i'll chuck it in here

I've got a GT3076 56T with a 0.82 housing and a 50mm external gate, currently 249kw at 1.1bar.

When I eventually get my rb25 engine rebuild, how much power do you think i could get out of this turbo, and what sort of boost would i have to run?

I've seen a few people getting 300kw on 98 fuel and 325kw on e85... is that about what i can expect? Or is higher possible?

higher is possible on E85 (330-360) and expect 300-330 on 98 boost will be over 20psi.

[FineLine]

Don't be hatin' on garrett now.

Lol

Cant you feel the love ?

[DCIEVE]

The EFR series from BW also has good results too compared directly to Garrett and are the same pricing near enough. Only issue being a totally different flange pattern which makes choosing a BW turbo very expensive and committal as if you don't like it - its not just changing turbo, its the entire hot-side.

Pretty far from the truth, the efr's are ~1k more than a standard garrett. And a different dump flange does not equal the entire hot side. FWIW the old journal bearing bw's matched the garrett ball bearing for response and power in back to back testing by full race.

[GTScotT]

FWIW the old journal bearing bw's matched the garrett ball bearing for response and power in back to back testing by full race.

Yes, full race DO seem to have quite the relationship with BW.. Dont they?

From memory the press release by BW made note of testing done by fullrace for the product.

Smell's some 'Precise Power Tuned' love to me.

[Lithium]

There is plenty of independent testing around the place showing pretty tight comparison between Borg Warner and Garrett GT-BB equivalents, sometimes Garretts can come out strong and sometimes the Borgs can. I am saluting one of the American Subaru tuners who has doing a completely straight up non-biased comparison between GT3076R, GTX3076R and EFR7670 turbos on exactly the same car. The GTX3076R was a little laggier than the GT3076R but made more power, the EFR7670 is yet to be dyno tested but apparently feels very good on the road in terms of boost recovery etc.

[Nee-san]

lol, move to Melbourne...then we'll talk

If you really want to be different, we can try for an east-west LS1 setup...

I have a full adidas tracksuit outfit, does this help ? its blue with the white stripes.

haha.

And I think Fineline is about to break out the Elton John !

Everybody Hide your babies !

[R31Nismoid]

Lithium - link up where this is going on?

Pretty far from the truth, the efr's are ~1k more than a standard garrett. And a different dump flange does not equal the entire hot side. FWIW the old journal bearing bw's matched the garrett ball bearing for response and power in back to back testing by full race.

Ye well there is hardly anyone other than Full Race that have done any testing thus far.

Ok so in effect it's more. Guess thats not all bad

$3000 for a BW, $2000 for a Garrett

Have they released anything other than the .83 or .85 IW housing in T3?

If they have not - you need to change manifold or get adaptor plates made if you want to go bigger OR smaller in the rear housing size far as i understand it.

At least if you don't like the Garrett (or other turbo options, parts etc), you can just sell em and there are plenty of people ready to buy, hence what i mean by commital which sorta has more than just an obvious cost if you cant then go and resell if it doesnt work out

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

simon's is E~42.5

[DCIEVE]

Yes, full race DO seem to have quite the relationship with BW.. Dont they?

From memory the press release by BW made note of testing done by fullrace for the product.

Smell's some 'Precise Power Tuned' love to me.

As Lith said there are plenty of independent workshop tests floating around, but I'm sure they're all on the BW payroll.

[ShiftyTys]

Lithium - link up where this is going on?

Ye well there is hardly anyone other than Full Race that have done any testing thus far.

Ok so in effect it's more. Guess thats not all bad

$3000 for a BW, $2000 for a Garrett

Have they released anything other than the .83 or .85 IW housing in T3?

If they have not - you need to change manifold or get adaptor plates made if you want to go bigger OR smaller in the rear housing size far as i understand it.

At least if you don't like the Garrett (or other turbo options, parts etc), you can just sell em and there are plenty of people ready to buy, hence what i mean by commital which sorta has more than just an obvious cost if you cant then go and resell if it doesnt work out

I gave the link to everyone in the other thread. Medium frame Gtx turbos.

[conan7772]

this is why..

that's a 3076 on a 25/30

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Edited March 16, 2011 by conan7772

[SimonR32]

Can't believe I missed this whole thread while I was in Canada! Someone should have PM'd me for comment haha

Isn't Simon running ethanol and an ass load of boost? Not sure what the deal is with that 3076 in terms of boost and fuel, but i dare say there are some points of difference between the two setups

The graph of the 3076R is running the same type of fuel E42 and a few psi less boost BUT he has Tomei poncams where mine are stock. It actually was down a little on power (due to timing issue) and should have made closer to 455rwhp on the day. On the same hub dyno it makes around 500rwhp where mine makes 520rwhp

Hard to say when you don't have a full mod list and boost level/fuel type taken into consideration. I suspect the Kando is running more boost as at 130kph (well before the GT3076R would be choking) the Kando turbo is making more power. At 110kph the GT3076R has 60whp more...

No doubt the Garrett comes on a little earlier, on the road he gets the equivalent boost at around 200rpm earlier in 4th gear... The flip side to the coin is mine holds power past 200km/hr while his turns over around 180km/hr

I believe E85 was used.

No doubt he will see this and confirm as I'm certain but not 100% confident.

But what you do NOT see on a dyno sheet, is how a turbo transitions up onto boost and so on.

I once had a 500-550hp T04E/T3 hybrid thing. I put on a GT30 - both at that point running 12psi and making around 220rwkw. The power delivery didn't look "overtly" different on a dyno sheet however on the street it was very noticeable in between gears and so on.

Ah indeed, it is such a tough decision at times as there is much for and much against.

Once again both were on same fuel, E42...

I can tell you both cars on the road are very nice to drive, even on the tightest turns at a motorkhana type event you would not really have any complaints about lag.

If people want a honest opinion on the 2 just ask

The Kando T67 is a slightly bigger turbo that makes more power top end and more power for longer while the Garrett GT3076R comes on boost sooner and hence has better mid range...

The GT3076R used to be my turbo pick for a RB25, the reason the other one car has one is because I convinced him it was the best turbo for the job. I was a jew so I bought a Kando T67 and saved myself about $1000 over the Garrett and was very impressed by the results.

They both have positives and negatives, I would call them a draw haha

Mind you I have seen a graph of a Trust T67 and it looked more impressive than both of them haha

Edited March 16, 2011 by SimonR32