Police Watch Car Clubs

[htial]

Even tho thier is no real point to your thread mate, it's still good to hear what accerly went on from someone who was at the scene.

I would sugest another cruise (SAU offical), start in the early everning when people are around, and see what happens. This would show people that not all skylines are hoon's and do drive properly, even still take a video camera next time and film the cruise.

I was going to go, but my GF was sick... ...I would have had my camcorder there...

[VSPECT]

Even if we record how our event goes and how its better than getting hammered in the city, they will still compare us to hoons...the main issue here is that the public dont know the main difference of who is a car enthusiast and who is a hoon..they all think we all the same and look at us the same....

I remember, when autosalon was on last year, how media used that as an "encouragement" for young kids to "hoon"....its the way people think needs to change to this side of car world...and the media not to make it sound anything else than what it actually is...

Untill then, not only our club but others too will be spoken badly off...

PS: eg of what people think of sportish looking car :-

Guy (mid 20s) in old MX5 - had windows down and had his music playing (loud enough for people on the streets next to his car to hear it) standing at the lights

OLD GRANDMA - "Bloody hoons..hope he gets his car crushed...doesnt deserve to be on the roads.."

COME ON!!!! MX5 isnt even a performance car...and cant a person have his window down on a summer night and listen to music? what has he done wrong for her to hope him to loose his car...

THIS STUFF JUST SHITS ME!!!!

[JEPPE]

I wonder if biker clubs get pulled over and harassed... I don't reckon most cops would have the balls... I'm not talking about those clubs with a bunch of fat middle aged guys on Harleys I mean real MC's

Probably not Harley clubs but normal road bikes yes. To be fair we did meet at the same BP in St Kilda twice a week for about 5 years >.> Still, we were only there for an hour around 7.30 and ffs, we pay rego for our ability to ride these two times a week!

[NickR33]

I meant outlaw biker clubs as in Comancheros, Rebels, Hells Angels etc

don't get me started on 'normal road bikes'... lane splitting, 100km/h+ wheelies in peak hour traffic, passing on double lines etc... and the noise!... when I was living on Dandenong Rd the bikes were many times louder than even the loudest import... and that high pitched whine isn't even a nice sound

I wouldn't ride a bike on the street if you paid me due to the horrible driving and chance that some idiot texting on their phone is going to knock you off... but that doesn't mean road rules don't apply to you... when was the last time you were following a bike that was in the middle of a lane doing the speed limit? pretty farkin rare

back on topic... as Joe alluded too its not really the cops fault... they're just doing their job to pay the rent... its their bosses and the politicians further up the ladder all competing for promotions and reelection... go download 'The Wire' most realistic cop show ever... do it

[Astro Bear]

We should just go on Hoon cruises. Nothing we say or do will change public perception. We should just perpetuate the stereotype by being as bad as we possibly can. f**k it, I give up.

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

As we approached Wesburn the cop was tailing me closely, but then shot off to the left, and i said to my passenger "what's the bet he called in a road block up ahead?"

Anyways, if you google map Wesburn you can see Lowes Road. My bet was he use the back streets and got ahead of us to set up the roadblock, because while chatting to him he said he was coming opposite us and saw us, so it must have been the same bloke.

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geez, I just re-read it, i don't have a point really. LOLZ!! I just told a boring story, sorry

actually if what you said can be confirmed somewhat, and you were all traveling on the speed limit, you should write in to the paper and point out that the ONLY car that was hooning was infact the police car.

COME ON!!!! MX5 isnt even a performance car...

never been in one have you? i've been in an mx5 that would DESTROY your GTR around a track

they are just as much of a performance car as a gtst etc

back on topic... as Joe alluded too its not really the cops fault... they're just doing their job to pay the rent... its their bosses and the politicians further up the ladder all competing for promotions and reelection... go download 'The Wire' most realistic cop show ever... do it

at least people understood my point. it is not always the police officer that pulls you over (sometimes it is) that has the agenda

[JEPPE]

don't get me started on 'normal road bikes'... lane splitting, 100km/h+ wheelies in peak hour traffic, passing on double lines etc... and the noise!... when I was living on Dandenong Rd the bikes were many times louder than even the loudest import... and that high pitched whine isn't even a nice sound

I wouldn't ride a bike on the street if you paid me due to the horrible driving and chance that some idiot texting on their phone is going to knock you off... but that doesn't mean road rules don't apply to you... when was the last time you were following a bike that was in the middle of a lane doing the speed limit? pretty farkin rare

As a matter of fact I follow them all the time.

What you're saying is a massive generalisation which is exactly what is happening here to Skyline drivers. Hypocritical if you ask me. I would have thought that you as a car enthusiast would have some kind of understanding since motorcyclists are treated in a similar way by law enforcement and the media.

I guess I'll listen to the media next time they say that all Skyline drivers are hoons.

[VSPECT]

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never been in one have you? i've been in an mx5 that would DESTROY your GTR around a track

they are just as much of a performance car as a gtst etc

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Actually i havnt hamish...ya i guess they can be a performance car..ma bad...but that car didn't give the vibe of a performance car and that comment of that granny was not called for...since the guy didn do anything wrong and she was just hope to get his car crushed...thats the point i was trying to make...how people generalize any sportish looking car as the driver being a hoon...

As a matter of fact I follow them all the time.

What you're saying is a massive generalisation which is exactly what is happening here to Skyline drivers. Hypocritical if you ask me. I would have thought that you as a car enthusiast would have some kind of understanding since motorcyclists are treated in a similar way by law enforcement and the media.

I guess I'll listen to the media next time they say that all Skyline drivers are hoons.

Hey..long time...i know what you mean...society tends to generalize to create a stereotype...therefore we get these stupid laws just to make life hell because some idiot didnt do the right thing....to be honest, the only law i hate about bikes is split laning (whatever its called) very dangerous...unless its in the still traffic conditions and they pass at 5ks not 20ks....seen some doing that at 80k+ and highly dangerous...been some many occasions either me or them side swiping each other because they just fly past u with very little gap...otherwise ill love to have a bike

[NickR33]

As a matter of fact I follow them all the time.

What you're saying is a massive generalisation which is exactly what is happening here to Skyline drivers. Hypocritical if you ask me. I would have thought that you as a car enthusiast would have some kind of understanding since motorcyclists are treated in a similar way by law enforcement and the media.

I guess I'll listen to the media next time they say that all Skyline drivers are hoons.

its a generalisation but doesn't mean its not true

I accept the import stereotype... when I get pulled over I have a laugh with the cop about it... they usually comment that I look a bit older than the average import driver and have a pretty good record... then they RBT me and let me on my way... I accept it as part of using a GTR as daily transport

I cannot remember a time when I have seen a bike pulled over... or a single media article complaining about hoons on bikes... but you tell me otherwise so I must be wrong

pulling over an organised CAMS affiliated club cruise where nobody is breaking the law only to send no proof EPA letters is a low act... I think we both agree on that

[htial]

pulling over an organised CAMS affiliated club cruise where nobody is breaking the law only to send no proof EPA letters is a low act... I think we both agree on that

The stupid thing with the EPA is the cops will pull over loud cars... ...but they'll drive behind a smoky van for ten minutes and do nothing...

The upside to this is Joe public can also report via the EPA website...

[Birds]

I'm gonna start reporting certain SS Commodores for having modified ECUs

[JEPPE]

its a generalisation but doesn't mean its not true

I’m not saying it’s not true. I know plenty of people that hoon on bikes doing far, far worse than what you have described and I don’t approve of it. However, by failing to mention in your previous statement the many safe riders out there, you have given us a generally bad name because you are generalising. This is exactly the issue in the public eye making it hard for the safe drivers and riders to be left in peace.

I cannot remember a time when I have seen a bike pulled over... or a single media article complaining about hoons on bikes... but you tell me otherwise so I must be wrong

This is most likely because you are not a bike rider therefore you would not be exposed to confrontations with media or police relating to them. I had 4 friends get fined for no reflectors or for having fender eliminators when they were down at the island for WSBK last weekend. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be fined, they broke the law and that’s the risk they take, but that’s certainly not lane splitting 20+k’s over the speed limit.

pulling over an organised CAMS affiliated club cruise where nobody is breaking the law only to send no proof EPA letters is a low act... I think we both agree on that

They wouldn’t have been aware of the CAMS factor until they pulled them over. It wouldn’t matter what club it was or if it was cars or bikes, they are targeting everyone. No I don’t agree with it and yes I do think it is low as you can tell from my above statement. They should put there efforts elsewhere for both cases.

[blind_elk]

Birds, is that your comment about "none ... was / were charged..."? "was" is correct - the sentence is "not one (ie none) ... was charged ...". You wouldn't say "not one ... were charged ...", would you?

[Birds]

"Not one" actually has a different meaning to "none" - the former referring to a singular, whilst the latter refers to a group/collective. He fucked up, I was just being a smart ass.

[FineLine]

Vengeance time my puppys. Listen to the old man.

Stake out your cop shop, find out what the highway patrol boyz drive to work in, get their number plate and start dobbing the dream boats for excessive noise, Flickin dumpers out the window etc.

Give the fokkas some of their own.

[NickR33]

I’m not saying it’s not true. I know plenty of people that hoon on bikes doing far, far worse than what you have described and I don’t approve of it. However, by failing to mention in your previous statement the many safe riders out there, you have given us a generally bad name because you are generalising. This is exactly the issue in the public eye making it hard for the safe drivers and riders to be left in peace.

This is most likely because you are not a bike rider therefore you would not be exposed to confrontations with media or police relating to them. I had 4 friends get fined for no reflectors or for having fender eliminators when they were down at the island for WSBK last weekend. I’m not saying they shouldn’t be fined, they broke the law and that’s the risk they take, but that’s certainly not lane splitting 20+k’s over the speed limit.

They wouldn’t have been aware of the CAMS factor until they pulled them over. It wouldn’t matter what club it was or if it was cars or bikes, they are targeting everyone. No I don’t agree with it and yes I do think it is low as you can tell from my above statement. They should put there efforts elsewhere for both cases.

fair enough, of course I accept there is safe riders out there... but considering how dangerous it is there should be more of them

you have to accept being generalised into larger groups by people who don't know enough about your subculture to differentiate... its par for the course... you only need worry about how you act, can't control the actions of others

this incident is another matter IMO... I'm sure someone explained to the cop the cruise was an officially sanctioned by SAU etc... the fact he wasn't listening when people were trying to explain their situation, in a friendly manner I might add, just means he was lazy and rude... fair enough he pulled them over, I don't mind being pulled over and having a chat... pulling people over before they do something wrong might just be enough to get them to pull their head in... this whole issue of then receiving an EPA in the mail a week later doesn't solve anything, other than increase resentment and hostility

and its just weaksauce

[scotty014]

The stupid thing with the EPA is the cops will pull over loud cars... ...but they'll drive behind a smoky van for ten minutes and do nothing...

The upside to this is Joe public can also report via the EPA website...

they dont even bother with pulling you over anymore the last EPA notice i got was that they witnessed me and assumed my car was to noisy and sent out a letter.

could they focus there attention on something more important like the violence going on in the city, my mate got king hit the other week and now has no feeling in one side of his face and has a plate and the cops couldnt do anything about so this guy that did it got away with it, also just the other week a backpacker got killed from someone king hitting them its ridiculous.

ive lost all respect for cops they are more than happy to give you a fine or EPA etc. but when it comes to actual assaults and stuff they say there is nothing they can do about it.

ps. T.A.C are dodgy shits too, in the end there just an insurance company out there to make massive profits. oh and another thing there campaign 'speed kills' is bullshit, speed doesnt kill its the inexperienced or drunk or drug f**ked dickhead behind the wheel that kills.

[NUTWGN]

Well written response Ash. Will keep an eye out for the extended version.

Birds,

[Guest]

I'm gonna start reporting certain SS Commodores for having modified ECUs

Been doing it for a while now It's the upside to the EPA website. Also I report falcodores doing skids and generally crappy driving even if their exhaust aren't loud, might make them think the next time.

[Birds]

I like Noels idea...time to find out what a few well known officers drive to and from work. Just a shame the ones most likely to hand out EPA notices are probably well connected with the EPA folk