R32 - Next mod - ECU - Options

[MM2death]

This is my current setup on my RB20DET R32GTS-t:

GT2530 turbo

3inch exhaust turbo back

FMIC

14psi w/ bleeder

Pod filter w/ partition & CAI

500HP intank fuel pump

Oil catch can

I currently have a dead stock ECU and my car is running pretty rich (std injectors as well), and i want to know what my best option would be with getting some better management. This is what i want to achieve:

- Disable speed cut

- Disable boost cut (or alter it)

- Optimise A/F ratios for maximum power.

I won't really be modifying my car anymore after this.

I have been looking at getting a chip put in my ECU via Chiptorque. The actual chip apparently will give me what i am after and they will make it to suit my current mods using a dyno. I am looking at around $900 for this all up.

Power FC is another option but seeing as i won't be doing any more mods, i think it would be a waste of money....that's even if i could get hold of one.

Are there any other options that i could explore?

Any help is apprciated, as i don't want to make a decision without a bit of advice.

Scott

[Duncan]

yeah, I'd seriously look at getting the stock chip remapped, they are fine for low-mid levels of mods and may be much cheaper.

[silver gts-t]

bump im also curious

[MM2death]

Anyone, sydneykid?

[neil_se]

i want to know too. i've got exactly the same mods plus safc, ebc and rising rate fpr. i'm not a big fan of the chiptorque chips, but i know you can get remaps and tuning done for about $600 elsewhere on the coast or brissy. i'm thinking of getting a FCD, cut wire to remove speed limiter, and safc tune on dyno. alternatively i can get a boost cut, fuel cut and raised rev limit raised chip for $200, then get safc dyno tuned.

[mist]

i did a remap ... told myself i'm not touching the car anymore

boy was i wrong

running a AP PFC for my RB20 now haha

are you sure you won't mod again?

[funkymonkey]

Can get ya an Apex Engineering (APEXi's custom dept) Power FC for the RB20DET. Ultra tunable and most shops can do it on the fly.

Or I can give you a book with all the different fuel maps you need, but its in japanese.

[FATGTS-R]

I thought rev limit could not be modified by a chip? only speed and fuel cut?

[Roy]

If your going to be runnng the HKS 2530, then you may want to consider a bigger AFM. This will add a few $$$ plus make the re-map a little more difficult, though still possible.

Whilst the remap is cheaper, at close to $1000 i would stretch to money to a PFc, you get a great live readout of engine parameters, more flexible tuning albeit with a handcontroller and can be bought at the moment for $1100.

If you ever want to sell the car, then you can sell the PFC, and re-install the std ECU, along with the std turbo setup.

That said im running a re-mapped ECU, and will be getting it tuned again with new cam gears/maybe new cams, but im expecting to only pay about $300-400 all up for the tune

[MM2death]

i want to know too. i've got exactly the same mods plus safc, ebc and rising rate fpr. i'm not a big fan of the chiptorque chips, but i know you can get remaps and tuning done for about $600 elsewhere on the coast or brissy. i'm thinking of getting a FCD, cut wire to remove  speed limiter, and safc tune on dyno. alternatively i can get a boost cut, fuel cut and raised rev limit raised chip for $200, then get safc dyno tuned.

I have never dealt with Chiptorque before. Any reasons why you don't think it's a good idea. PM me if you want. Who else has experience with remapping r32 ecu's around Bris, GC? Since i don't have an safc, i won't be doing what you are thinking of doing, as it will cost me way too much and would be better off going full management. fuel cut defenders and safc's aren't cheap. When are you hitting boost cut/fuel cut? And that $200 chip you speak of, is that one that was remapped in another car to different mods? I was think down this track...but how wrong can you go? Like a remapped ecu on a different 32 with similar mods. But what are my chances of finding one that was setup for 2530...lol

If your going to be runnng the HKS 2530, then you may want to consider a bigger AFM. This will add a few $$$ plus make the re-map a little more difficult, though still possible.  

Whilst the remap is cheaper, at close to $1000 i would stretch to money to a PFc, you get a great live readout of engine parameters, more flexible tuning albeit with a handcontroller and can be bought at the moment for $1100.

If you ever want to sell the car, then you can sell the PFC, and re-install the std ECU, along with the std turbo setup.

That said im running a re-mapped ECU, and will be getting it tuned again with new cam gears/maybe new cams, but im expecting to only pay about $300-400 all up for the tune

I really don't want to mod the car anymore after this....as the next step would have been cams z32 afm....but where does it come to an end...lol

PowerFC would have been the ultimate option, but it all adds up. Say $1100 for it, 400-500 for hand controller....and then tuning! eeek!

Was your remap done on your cars ECU? How much did you gain from it? And what mods do you have?

Thanks for the help guys.

Scott

[Cubes]

I really don't want to mod the car anymore after this....as the next step would have been cams z32 afm....but where does it come to an end...lol

erm.. yer generally it ends up ending with a rb25 donk or in my case a rb30 donk.

Whats the power curve like? no dips etc? I've heard of good results by just fitting a fuel cut defender. That one that was in the zoom mag that good defected (James from D1) he made some where up around the 230rwkw mark with a fuel cut defender.

[Sydneykid]

Hi Scott, I can tell what a good tuner can achieve by remapping a standard R32 ECU via an on line chip upgrade. But I can't tell you who is a good chip tuner in bananaland. So I would be wasting my time.

My suggestion would be to find your local chiptorque or fueltronics agent, get a written guarantee of results out of them. Tell them you will tell 100 other R32 owners in Joeterritory how great they are if they do a good job on your car. Then get 20 other guys to ring up and say they are waiting on your results. I will bet you that you get a good tune. An average tuner takes longer, but can still get it right, you just have to make him want to spend the extra time.

If you want I will be one of the 20.

[neil_se]

I won't bad mouth Chiptorque, i've just seen some less than impressive improvements/power figures for a fair bit of money that it costs. $600 is about my limit for a remap and tune, you'd have to seriously think about spending the extra for an aftermarket ecu above that. That said, they do have a very good reputation and maybe i just need to talk to some more people with tuning by them.

Someone to talk to would be Matthew Spry (0411 340 033 ). He doesn't get a lot of press because he doesn't work for a workshop, he has his own dyno in Molendinar and only does tuning including a lot of the high powered cars on the coast. Gavin Wood also does ecu remaps now and while they're not cheap, his results always impress. The $200 chip only removes boost/speed/rev limit, its not for fuel and timing maps.

[MM2death]

Joel i am running into the 10s with the AFR's. My power curve isn't that exciting as you can imagine. It's running the richest at around 5-500rpm which is where the meat of my power should be.

Thanks for the tip Sydneykid...i'll let you know what i decide. I am just making sure to explore all my options before making the plunge.

Neil, thanks for the contacts. Does this Matt do remapping...and how much rb experience does he have. How does Gavin do remaps without using the aid of rollers?

Cheers,

Scott

[Cubes]

I remember at least 2 years ago when GTR-Ben was called GTS4-Ben over on SDU.

he said .. If its running rich pump more boost in to it.. lol.

If you arn't looking at any more mods then a fuel cut defender might do the trick, providing its all checked out on a dyno while you pump the boost in to it. Sure it won't give you the perfect power curve but it will make more power providing there is a good amount of fueling head room towards the end of the rev range.

[neil_se]

I'm not sure if Matt does remaps. Gavin does his remap tuning on the street and Dyson Rotary's dyno.

I may have an SAFC available in the next week if you're interested? There's also a FCD for sale on here and 1 on boostcruising (see post by pink gt) both at about $50. That would mean only about $370 plus probably 1 hours tuning ($85-125) if you wanted to go that way. I'm think i might have to go a standalone ecu since it looks like i need my loom redone anyway and i wouldn't mind bigger injectors. I think i may have to sell a kidney to afford it though...

[MM2death]

Hrmm...decisions. How old is the SAFC?

I still don't know what to do. How easily are PowerFCs to get for 32gts-t's? Like thru nengun?

Scott

[neil_se]

Mine is a blue-screen SAFC I Scott. I think some of the sponsors on here would be able to hook you up with a PFC for rb20det.

[pinoi_boi_r33]

go for the power fc there is no need to buy the hand controller if someone else is tuning it. If u aren't gonna b modding more then you will only be paying for tuning once. The only problem is you will need to get it tuned with someone who has the apexi excel software, i'm from melb and dunno QLD places. either that or get the hand controller and tune yourself, but u can't see much of the map resolution, but with apexi excel software you can see the whole map and you will get the best results this way.

[Sydneykid]

go for the power fc there is no need to buy the hand controller if someone else is tuning it. If u aren't gonna b modding more then you will only be paying for tuning once. The only problem is you will need to get it tuned with someone who has the apexi excel software, i'm from melb and dunno QLD places. either that  or get the hand controller and tune yourself, but u can't see much of the map resolution, but with apexi excel software you can see the whole map and you will get the best results this way.

Try www.fc-datalogit.co.nz