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[sav man]

I'm thinking of putting mine in 3D. Not waisting my time with 3J, I think IPRA is going to finish before they'll stop discriminating against turbo cars.

[Duncan]

Yeah 3D is the easiest choice if you don't intend to race it under CAMS rules.

[Risking]

I'd actually have a serious crack at building a decent 2F car if it had a category to race in.

I can't see why it couldn't be reasonably competitive and wouldn't cost alot to get it together either.

3J ipra rules suck arse. As sad as it is if/when they ever get over protecting the value of early mazda's the category would be flooded with late model cars.

Duncan I can't see the link cause I'm not a member but does the r33 fit into the regulations dimension wise?

[Duncan]

TBA...but we are being put on to the right people.

And....join the club you bum. http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/365434-s-a-u-n-s-w-club-membership-faq/

[Risking]

There is no right people at cams......

It seems there is alot of confusion among people who have never done it before as to the actual process behind getting a car logbooked

I'll do a breif write up about what you need to do, how to go about it and what paper work you need to have before bothering an inspector or sending away an application.

Might help some people understand how to go about it.

[BOZ22N]

There is no right people at cams......

It seems there is alot of confusion among people who have never done it before as to the actual process behind getting a car logbooked

I'll do a breif write up about what you need to do, how to go about it and what paper work you need to have before bothering an inspector or sending away an application.

Might help some people understand how to go about it.

That would be very helpful Brad. I am going to try and take mine to the local cams guy around the 18th or 19th, fingers crossed I get some help cause I got nothing.

[Risking]

Ryan Ill use your car as an example.

Normally its fairly straight forward as the car should be built to suit a category from the get go (or that is the ideal way to do it) You decide IPRA, prod cars, sports sedans etc etc.

Get the rules and build the car to them, the whole time assuming if the rules dont mention it your not able to do it.

In your case you need to determine what you want the car for. If its a sports sedan print off the regs and make sure your car fits into the rules before going any further.

If its a production car you want then downgrade the car and again redo it to fit into the regualtions.

Once you have a car that now fits into a specific category and everything is there from a saftey aspect ( cut out switches, pull cables, extiguishers etc etc, your ready to get the paper work happening.

You should have the ROPS registration forms that I filled out for the cage when it was built.

You also need to fill out a CAMS log book application and print off the pre scruitenering forms and fill them out with all your details.

Once you have that done and you have a car that fits into the category rules, you can call and arange a pre scruit to look over the car for you. They will ask you what category blah blah.

Some will come to you others wont, either way they should charge you a nominal fee for their time. They are not employed by CAMS and usually take massive offence to people who wont pay them.

They will typically go over the car with the category regulations in hand and determine that you meet all the criteria which is needed. They will test you emergency gear and inspect the cage the best they can (welds around the roof etc ARE checked ive quoted 4 cages last month to be cut out and fixed after failing this inspection)

If it is all good then they will complete your forms and give them back to you signed and with their number on it.

From there you have to take the photos requested by CAMS, I cant remember the exact angles they ask for, and enclose some toye of payment in the envelope you send to them.

ROPS rego form

Log book application form

Pre scruit form, signed off

Photos of the car

Payment of some type in full

Send it all into them and await the log book to arrive.

Its not hard but it does become difficult for alot of people when their car ends up "between" categories and doesnt fit properly. Its too wild for a prod car but no where near wild enough for a sports sedan, So you cant go backwards only forwards, sports sedan it becomes. With a few small changes that same car might fit back in as a catergory 2 car and be reasonably competative, compared to being a road block on an SS grid.

Which is why its good to see Duncan trying to get skylines in as a 2F elligable car. They can be well modified and still fit the category 2 regulations.

[BOZ22N]

Looks like i am going to be a SS blocker then as my turbo and manifold are not std and i dont have a 30 odd mm restrictor. Dam CAMS.

If i get it log booked as a SS now can i change the class later on if can make a decent turbo import class with no restrictor?

[Risking]

Yeah you sure can.

Duncan an probably clarify but I don't think you need to re log book the car. I think you just have to have a pre scruitenering inspection done to confirm the car meets the requirements for the category you want to race in.

[Duncan]

yeah in fact CAMS confirmed that for me the other day. Your log book category does not stop you entering any event as anything (although the scruitineers on the day may not know that...)

You can basically enter any event as anything, regardless of what the log book says, as long as you meet the rules for the class you enter.

CAMS can also change the category in the log book with another scruitineering inspection.

[sav man]

Ray Hislop runs his car in IPRA, Sports Sedans, and Tas Super Series - Targa class.

[Duncan]

yeah...and it is damn quick for a heavy, restricted IPRA car too. It killed by GTR at that Phillip Island v8 round we did.

[sav man]

IP only restrict turbos. Apparently 700-800hp V8's are alright, but turbo's must be restricted to stop them getting close to that.

[Duncan]

/facepalm

sorry...for some reason I had thought it was a turbo 6 not an 8!

Yeah we have some IPRA commonwhores up here running nascar motors too. Considering the rules allow any v8 block form the same maker, free cam, free heads, free exhaust....it goes to show how crappy those cars and motors are that they are not walking away with it all the time.

[Risking]

Duncan you are getting good value from CAMS lately.

[Risking]

IPRA will go backwards and put a weight restriction on forced induction cars before they go forwards and remove the restrictors.

Its obviously been proven possible to win in a turbo car several times but I'd shudder at the budget spent getting there compared to other categories.

[evil_weevil]

Ryan,

so whats your plan? are you just log booking it becauseof this new rule? resale value? or do you plan on doing state rounds and such too?

if it were me Id go the 3D for now, but also log book with AASA

[BOZ22N]

I think 3D it will be. It is mostly the new rule but have been meaning to do it for some time.

No serious stuff for me i just want to get out there and have a go, it would be good if we had a home though.

[Risking]

Id be doing it as a 3D car as well.

Atleast it's done and you don't have to have that cage modified.

There has also been a little talk getting around of a " time attack" category being added. If it happens it'll probably be like drifting and won't go anywhere with CAMS but oh well.

[Noddy]

Ryan, Noddy in queensland has his 33 gtst log booked as 2F production sports. I am not sure if the local club ever put it on the CAMS list but they should have. I think it is a good option for 33 gtst.

The other option would be 3J (IPRA). Apart from the restrictor your car would be OK wouldn't it? I am pretty sure IPRA will drop their restrictor rule sooner or later.

Not really. Cage certification is just the cage builder confirming it meets requirements on the CAMS paperwork. It is a pre-requisite to getting a log book but meaningless on it's own.

Cage certification will be very important for all the rally cars converting from AASA...

2A Closed.