Hoon Laws

[KezR33]

Sorry but I have to call BS on this one. That is the same line used by politicians to explain why these courses aren't compulsary when getting your license and what they say is ALWAYS right isn't it?? I would like to see the evidence of the above if it exists. Have you actually done one of these courses? I did when I first got my license and I can assure you that nothing they taught us made us feel invincible or able to do anything on the road - in fact, in my experience it did exactly the opposite.

A defensive driving course is NOT a deca skidpan day

I'm well aware of what a defensive driving course is. I've had a friend's Mum speak to me in private because her son apparently passed the course with flying colours and he was bragging about he never lost control even though everyone else did. He was already a pretty reckless driver and she knew it hence why she paid for him to do the course.

The course may have not made him a more dangerous driver, but it certainly didn't make him a safer one either.

[Birds]

Plenty of cars running already, normally from divy vans on the HWY... I even remember once a white mitsubishi GTO (must of done something at noble maccas), took off, passed me and a couple other white colored cars in front, pushed thru the pack, then lights off and into some resisdential street, seconds later a divy comes up with its light on hammering to catch up with the car but looks around the pack, jumps behind a white supra (must of thought they looked the same at night) and pulls him over into that kabab joint further up... I didnt know any of them, just hoped that the supra didnt get mistaken for the other driver and got his car impounded!

But the penalties for running arnt that great compared to excessive speeding, I know dumb people that have ran a couple times, got caught, cop a 3 year (or less) license suspension in court, appeal it, and get 1 year or less!

Sh*t system really

He probably did get blamed for it. Some people have a habit of not admitting they are wrong, at the expense of others!

[alr33x]

For once i agree with you, it is quite annoying how many people spell the simplest of words phonetically, i think its fair to assume that the majority of people on here are over the age of sixteen and should know this shit by now!

i knew you'd learn to love me

[Serg]

He probably did get blamed for it. Some people have a habit of not admitting they are wrong, at the expense of others!

That is so true... You should see how many times police has gone closely around my car at these random breath tests and they go "Hey mate, im gonna give you a fine and 3 demerit points for not displaying youre back P plate, give me your license and just hold on a sec", Then I say, "Hold on, go to the back, look at my car but this time look at the boot and not the window" answer ussually is "Ohhh, here is your license go, you can drive off"...

The only time i got an apology from a police officer was when he was recording our conversation... And it was for the same thing, didnt look at the boot for the p plate!

[R31Nismoid]

oh, what exactly does a partition sound like?

LOL

If they had to write a law for every instance of the above, the road rules 'booklet' would be as thick as the manual of how a woman works

You've hit the nail on the head there Ant!

[Ant97GTR]

I'm well aware of what a defensive driving course is. I've had a friend's Mum speak to me in private because her son apparently passed the course with flying colours and he was bragging about he never lost control even though everyone else did. He was already a pretty reckless driver and she knew it hence why she paid for him to do the course.

The course may have not made him a more dangerous driver, but it certainly didn't make him a safer one either

No amount of education is going to magically change your reckless mates attitude except the education he'll get from being seriously hurt in an avoidable accident (I should put the word 'possibly' in there somewhere because some never learn!). However, the percentage of people who are willing to learn at these courses will take something away from it and change their driving for the better. I'm not saying you become a saint on the road just by taking the course....I did a def driving course but drive a GTR on the road, you do the math! The things I learnt on that course stay with me to this day and work towards reducing the chances I will be in an accident.

I will challenge your statement that it didn't make him a safer driver though. Think about this....the course may not have changed his attitude and his reckless driving but at the very least it gave him some experience of trying to control a car that is verging on being out of control. Unfortunately the first time most people experience this is during the accident they are about to have. Surely this at the very least goes some way to making him a 'safer driver'?

Sorry to hijack the thread!

[LNah]

Don't. If everyone's gonna start walking, they'll slap in a walking tax, make us get regoed for the pavement and defect us for "illegal footwear mod" (aka running shoes) and any signs of walking faster than 1km/hr will cop a "speeding" fine.

How about we all get out and walk? Seems to be kind of heading that way with Greens, Road Rules and densely populated everything.

Oh but wait, I might get a ticket for "speeding" (walking too fast) or "tail gating" (trying to get past granny on the sidewalk).

Are they going to defect me for farting?

[Birds]

The defensive driving course, if nothing else, would surely be better than the current system for licence testing, which involves 15 minutes of driving in sunny suburbia and 1 of 3 ways to park your car. You (read: the general public) can never be too informed about what your vehicle will do in any situation. Just look at the way people brake late at intersections and depend on ABS to save their asses. DECA days alone have taught me all that about my vehicle...it may not change my driving attitude on the road, but I know what not to do, and where I won't get away with doing something stupid. I'm all for defensive driving courses, for this would surely make us all better drivers even if it doesn't address the issue of driver attitude.

[xALmoN]

Defensive driving is one thing, I believe i've become a safer driver after the defensive driving course i went for. I now look out for so many other things while driving that i never bothered about before.

[fuzzy_scuz]

Manadatory, Honda and Toyota drivers must have extensive driver training for the following:

- Indicate before braking to turn a corner

- drive at the speed limit

- Stay out of right hand lanes

- Don't do 40km in 100km zone (Major accident almost caused on Freeway)

- Merge into freeways at speed of traffic don't brake and stop

- Stay in your lane

- Taking a gentle corner on a 4 lane freeway at the speed limit not 20 km's under

- Check blind spots before lane changes or merging with traffic

- Check all brake lights and bulbs on outside of car is functioning

- How putting a drain pipe on a 4 cyclinder car which is N/A will not give you 100kw of power and make you top shit!

- Extra lights or reflectors don't make you safer on the road, they make you look like a twat.

etc.......

[LNah]

Extend this to falcondore and XR/SSV ute people as well.

Manadatory, Honda and Toyota drivers must have extensive driver training for the following:

- Indicate before braking to turn a corner

- drive at the speed limit

- Stay out of right hand lanes

- Don't do 40km in 100km zone (Major accident almost caused on Freeway)

- Merge into freeways at speed of traffic don't brake and stop

- Stay in your lane

- Taking a gentle corner on a 4 lane freeway at the speed limit not 20 km's under

- Check blind spots before lane changes or merging with traffic

- Check all brake lights and bulbs on outside of car is functioning

- How putting a drain pipe on a 4 cyclinder car which is N/A will not give you 100kw of power and make you top shit!

- Extra lights or reflectors don't make you safer on the road, they make you look like a twat.

etc.......

[KezR33]

No amount of education is going to magically change your reckless mates attitude except the education he'll get from being seriously hurt in an avoidable accident (I should put the word 'possibly' in there somewhere because some never learn!). However, the percentage of people who are willing to learn at these courses will take something away from it and change their driving for the better. I'm not saying you become a saint on the road just by taking the course....I did a def driving course but drive a GTR on the road, you do the math! The things I learnt on that course stay with me to this day and work towards reducing the chances I will be in an accident.

I will challenge your statement that it didn't make him a safer driver though. Think about this....the course may not have changed his attitude and his reckless driving but at the very least it gave him some experience of trying to control a car that is verging on being out of control. Unfortunately the first time most people experience this is during the accident they are about to have. Surely this at the very least goes some way to making him a 'safer driver'?

Sorry to hijack the thread!

I understand what you're saying, but you haven't met this kid. The only thing he learned from that course was that it did not challenge his car's limits and therefore he can go faster on the road. I'm sure he'll find those limits with or without the course (I've seen him spin out once, and heard many stories from co-workers), as will all drivers with his attitude. I'll agree it won't have made him a worse driver, but pep talk about driver attitude and some handling/braking runs is not enough to scare some of these kids.

He'll likely only slow down after a serious accident or police scare, hopefully the latter.

[Birds]

I truly believe that stopping people from driving like idiots and killing themselves is an absolute lost cause, short of making 30 the age at which you get your licence, or seriously imposing upon some civil liberties (the latter of these is already starting to happen, without benefit thus far).

Death on the roads has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. The public and/or government seems not to want to accept the inevitability of a yearly road toll...throwing money at it, campaign after campaign, restriction after restriction, scapegoat after scapegoat, revenue after revenue, but it goes part and parcel with driving tons of metal at speeds faster than humans were ever meant to go. Throw in the freedom to choose how you drive (lazy/fatigued/drunk/moronic/hoon) and what do you expect? It's like we're all in denial of the sad reality: you can't change all that as long as a human is behind the wheel; prone to error, there will always be a death or two hundred. Convenience is the price on human life. You want to get rid of the road toll? Everyone rides bicycles / walks to work. F**k that we say, those few hundred lives aren't worth the stuff around. And I agree, sadly.

/apathy

[FrangaR33]

I truly believe that stopping people from driving like idiots and killing themselves is an absolute lost cause, short of making 30 the age at which you get your licence, or seriously imposing upon some civil liberties (the latter of these is already starting to happen, without benefit thus far).

Death on the roads has always been a problem, it will always be a problem. The public and/or government seems not to want to accept the inevitability of a yearly road toll...throwing money at it, campaign after campaign, restriction after restriction, scapegoat after scapegoat, revenue after revenue, but it goes part and parcel with driving tons of metal at speeds faster than humans were ever meant to go. Throw in the freedom to choose how you drive (lazy/fatigued/drunk/moronic/hoon) and what do you expect? It's like we're all in denial of the sad reality: you can't change all that as long as a human is behind the wheel; prone to error, there will always be a death or two hundred. Convenience is the price on human life. You want to get rid of the road toll? Everyone rides bicycles / walks to work. F**k that we say, those few hundred lives aren't worth the stuff around. And I agree, sadly.

/apathy

I agree, we have all made potentionally catastrophic mistakes when we drive for one reason or another and people may one day die as a result. Such is life.

[blk94r33]

The defensive driving course, if nothing else, would surely be better than the current system for licence testing, which involves 15 minutes of driving in sunny suburbia and 1 of 3 ways to park your car. You (read: the general public) can never be too informed about what your vehicle will do in any situation. Just look at the way people brake late at intersections and depend on ABS to save their asses. DECA days alone have taught me all that about my vehicle...it may not change my driving attitude on the road, but I know what not to do, and where I won't get away with doing something stupid. I'm all for defensive driving courses, for this would surely make us all better drivers even if it doesn't address the issue of driver attitude.

Precisely.

Other than bulk media coverage of the after math of poor education, what do we honestly get taught about what/what not to do on the roads? Except at least now days the 120 hours is mandatory, but I distinctively remember doing quite a few of my L's hours in a manual CV8 Monaro, next to a 24yo "supervisor" who was not that great of an influence....

Who tells you not to take a roundabout at the speed limit? Slow down in the wet/fog/smog etc? The L's book covers the basics, but you don't need to know it off by heart to pass the test.

The other problem is the over-confidence the new electronic "wonder systems" manufacturers are introducing into their cars is inducing in drivers...

"I can drive at 110 in the wet, ESP will save me"

"3 meters behind the car in front is safe, I have ABS"

"Speeding won't kill me, I got a car with airbags"

Without common sense, proper education, and retaining the fear of death or injury in the modern motorist, natural selection will continue to run rampant...

[SKYL1N]

Next Car Will Be Luxury Diesel I Think.

[KamikazeNinja34]

Jag?

[Dan_J]

rally the masses

http://www.orp.org.au/

[Miguelone]

rally the masses

http://www.orp.org.au/

Or suffer the penertleys

[KamikazeNinja34]

Why are all the laid-back parties in nsw?