R32 GTST vs GTS4

[Ionos]

I'm looking at importing an R32 early next year before the import regulations change, so at the moment i'm doing as much research as I can into exactly what I should get. I'm still debating whether or not it's worth paying the extra amount to get a GTS4 vs a GTST.... what do you guys think? What concerns me is that if I go for a GTS4 I will have less overall vehicles available to make my choice from. Also, fuel consumption will be worse, and I'll lose more power thru the drive train, which I can't really afford on a 2.0 l engine. Would it still be worthwhile or should I stick with a GTST and get a nice one?

Any other advice or suggestions as to what to get would be gratefully accepted.

[slip]

ionos, the 4wd system (ATTESA) is computer controlled. the car is in full rwd mode unless it is putting power to the front wheels, so dont really worry about the fuel consumption. Control the fuel consumption with your right foot.

with the gts4 you can just pull a fuse out and go rwd only (as ABU53 / LA LA does...often) and i have seen ATTESA save him and the car from, well, doom. so it can be a pretty handy thing.

gts4 is heavier, if you want to get good throttle control and like rwd, go for the gtst, if you want the different (more advanced?) driving experience ATTESA can give, go for that. if the rear starts to go you can still turn in, as power will be fed to them. drive both.

good luck big fella.

[Doctor]

It is easier to get god times down the 1/4 with a GTS4.

Doc

[dAVE]

if you can get the GTS4 i would go for that. Just like a baby GTR.

Also, if you are importing, I would be careful that plates dont run out. I have heard rumours that there are less than 25 r32 plates left in victoria.. as I said , rumours tho, so i wouldnt know.

go here for a bit more info re the new scheme: http://www.prestigemotorsport.com.au/indupdates.html

dave

[TTT]

I may be biased but I would definitly recommend the GTST.

They are lighter and you have a greatly balanced car.

Just keep in mind that, YES, you do get better launches with the GTS4 but I am sure that the GTST would catch and pass it down a quarter.. also, there is more to life than quarter mile runs..

I think that the RWD/front engine design is still the best and has the best balance.

[Jay95R33]

A mate has a GTS4 turbo and the launches he can do in that thing is amazing.

And it can really get you out of the crap in the wet too !!!!

I'd go the GTS4 for sure, it's heavier sure, but a few mods will fix that.

J

[Morgs]

Maybe i too am biased, but life is not all about launching the car.. once you're off the line the GTSt will kill the GTS4... big weight difference. Less stress on brakes etc with the weight of the GTSt too, tighter around the twisties too i'd wager.

For the right price, you could have my R32 GTSt

[Ionos]

Thanks for the advise guys! I think a gtst would be the way to go, my logic is for the extra amount that a gts4 would cost, I could get a nice gtst with a few mods, that would go just as hard. I'm driving a front wheel drive at the moment and i HATE it, just can't wait to drive a powerful rwd car again.

Now I just hope that when it comes time for me to import, there are still plates left.

Morgs, what do you have, and how much? I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for a local sale, but all the private sales i've seen in SA want $16000 + which is an absolute joke for a r32 (in stock form).

[Bozz]

The GTS4 comes standard with 4 spot front brakes (well at least mine did) and I've driven both, owned a GTS4 for 3 years and driven various GTSt's over the time. In the dry, on the twisties, the GTSt's are slightly better. They are also slightly better on rolling start drags or overtaking due to less weight. For every other situation, the GTS4 absolutely OWNES the GTSt. Wet weather is so much better with the '4 as is any non tractable surface. I remember towing a bogged 60 series Landbruiser with my GTS4 I had to get him 10 meters and my car did it with style

Now the brakes, oh god were the 4 piston calipers with ABS bloody good. Oh yeah, all GTS4's come with ABS standard, thats very well worth considering. Problem is, if you reef the handbrake on mid corner, the ABS unlocks the back wheels and 4WD engages trying to deliver identical torque to all wheels

One thing I learned with the GTS4 is how to drift and stay safe. With the GTSt's it's easy to go too far and spin out, the GTS4 pulls power to the front wheels after you start drifting and you get such a wonderful sensation of drifting and knowing there's so much more room before you get to the limit. I had adjustable KYB suspension in my car and it handled brilliantly, better than most GTSt's but the GTS4 is front heavy and tends to understeer much more than the GTSt's if you aren't gently powering through the corner.

Another great memory I have of the GTS4 is tying both towing hooks at the back of the car to a tree, putting some oil under all 4 tyres, in first, smoking them all up, almost redlining at 60km/h I pushed the cruise control button, opened the door, stepped out, took a photo of the car with all 4 smoking up, jumped back in and disabled cruise control

I ended up selling the car, pretty much in perfect condition with 103,000km on it for $9500

[Ionos]

Argh the options. Slip mentioned that the 4wd was only engaged when the rear wheels lost traction... does that mean that you will not lower power thru the drive shaft when it is not engaged, or will you still lose more power like all 4wd's?

Also, how much heavier is the GTS4? I'm a big guy , and with me and the girlfriend in the car, it's gonna be a lot of extra weight on that poor 2.0 l motor.

[Jay95R33]

Originally posted by Bozz

Another great memory I have of the GTS4 is tying both towing hooks at the back of the car to a tree, putting some oil under all 4 tyres, in first, smoking them all up, almost redlining at 60km/h I pushed the cruise control button, opened the door, stepped out, took a photo of the car with all 4 smoking up, jumped back in and disabled cruise control

Baaaahahahahahahahahahahaah

Bozz - you are officially now a legend. I love your work..

[dAVE]

Originally posted by Ionos

Argh the options. Slip mentioned that the 4wd was only engaged when the rear wheels lost traction... does that mean that you will not lower power thru the drive shaft when it is not engaged, or will you still lose more power like all 4wd's?

Also, how much heavier is the GTS4? I'm a big guy , and with me and the girlfriend in the car, it's gonna be a lot of extra weight on that poor 2.0 l motor.

yep, u shouldnt lose power as bascially it functions like a rwd until the rear wheels start to lose traction.

[TTT]

Regarding the Brakes on the GTS4..

The GTST type M also comes with 4 pot calipers and ABS.

Dude..

Read these 2 articles, then decide for yourself..

GTS4

GTST

Then decide for yourself.

Every person on here is going to say get this or get that because that's what they have.. this includes me.

But read up on both machines and choose for yourself after driving both.

IF you can find a GTS4...

It's pretty hard to come by one of those and when you consider that for the price that people are asking for a 90 model GTS4, you could get like a 94 R33, it's hard to go past the R32 GTST (my opinion once again..)

Good luck in your search..

[Jay95R33]

What sort of prices are the GTS-t's and the GTS4's going for at the moment?

[JH32]

I have a broker looking for an R32 GTS4 for me in Japan at the moment, and let me tell you .. they're hard to find!!! :uh-huh:

[TTT]

And that's in Japan..

So finding one in Aus let alone a good one, is next to impossible.

As for GTST's there are always some for sale..

I've seen them as low as $13K (stock and pretty average)

Up to as high as (I personally think too much) $22K for one that has the GTR body bits and good engine mods and looks and so on.

[Morgs]

Originally posted by Ionos

Morgs, what do you have, and how much? I wouldn't mind paying a bit extra for a local sale, but all the private sales i've seen in SA want $16000 + which is an absolute joke for a r32 (in stock form).

Its a gunmetal grey R32 GTSt, exhaust, filter, suspension, the usual mods, and pricewise looking at about $16K. Put it in the TP for $17K but mostly time wasters from there.

[002 NVS]

Pretty much standard R32's in most import yards are going for over $20,000 in Brissy...

Private sales are as low as $14,000 - $15,000 for a ordinary one or $16,000 - $20,000 for a good one with mods...

[dAVE]

there was a guy selling a gts4 on the coast in performance forums and he wanted 15k for it. Dont know if its still for sale or not.