Wideband Kits

[Beer Baron]

I'm not surprised you found some info that that test was a bit bogus. I had wondered about the zeitronix ZT2 being rated so low as to the best of my knowledge it's an excellent product. the ZT2 can support a whole bunch of stuff an LC1 and basic gauge can't. it has logging function and can support a whole range of useful inputs like EGT etc. it's a bit more expensive than the basic LC2 innovate kit but it's got more features for sure.

[Sidwysracr]

The XD-16 is discontinued, shame they didnt test the LC1 but I would assume it would be just as accurate from the comparisons I have done.

Lol @ PLX and NGK, + or - 1.0 afr...

Beerbaron nailed it on the spot. XD-16 are now MTX series.

I remember this test. Very controversial test.

Very interesting indeed.

[Beer Baron]

So you are saying you can use the wideband and ecu to dynamically control afrs? Surely something my power fc can't do lol. I might pick up a innovative unit. Shop near my place has them plus 12 months warranty

power FC doesn't have 'quick tune' feature but with a datalogit you can log AFR and have actual AFR in the map so you can see what AFR in which cell etc.

it does have narrowband closed loop control for cruise conditions though so you can use the simulated narrow band output straight into the power FC to keep a stoich cruise AFR.

[Sidwysracr]

I'm not surprised you found some info that that test was a bit bogus. I had wondered about the zeitronix ZT2 being rated so low as to the best of my knowledge it's an excellent product. the ZT2 can support a whole bunch of stuff an LC1 and basic gauge can't. it has logging function and can support a whole range of useful inputs like EGT etc. it's a bit more expensive than the basic LC2 innovate kit but it's got more features for sure.

Yeah, $279 for the base of the kit seems pretty good. But you have to buy the supporting sensors, ie.. pyrometer is $89, 3.5 bar MAP sensor $115...

Edited September 20, 2011 by Sidwysracr

[BlueRB240]

You could hook up a GM 3bar map sensor if you wanted too but I don't think it's as accurate as the one they sell. I just have the EGT hooked up so I log A/F and egt. I do need to get the map sensor tho it would help with the boost transition tuning.

[89CAL]

I'm very happy with my AEM UEGO unit. Never having to calibrate it is great

Have mine outputting AFR's to my laptop so I can log them on FC-Edit. Very handy being able to do this.

As for the simulated narrowband output to your power FC for cruise AFR's. How is this done? Just use the signal line from the wideband and join it to the narrowband signal wire?

[JonnoHR31]

yer hook it up to the standard o2 sensor signal wire. in standard form 1v is rich, 0 is lean and .5v is stoich. its still a good idea to tune it properly around cruise though as the narrowband is only used under constant throttle and having a big difference between the tuned afr and stoich (or whatever you trick the pfc into being stoich) will result in a bit of surging while cruising.

[89CAL]

yeah I probably wont bother, I get pretty good economy out of tuning it to set values. Cars been a bit strange lately, went a bit lean the other day on cruise so I tuned it back to where it should be and now its gone rich, so think I will have to check over everything to see why its doing this

[SargeRX8]

yeah I probably wont bother, I get pretty good economy out of tuning it to set values. Cars been a bit strange lately, went a bit lean the other day on cruise so I tuned it back to where it should be and now its gone rich, so think I will have to check over everything to see why its doing this

You have a PM.

[Beer Baron]

You could hook up a GM 3bar map sensor if you wanted too but I don't think it's as accurate as the one they sell. I just have the EGT hooked up so I log A/F and egt. I do need to get the map sensor tho it would help with the boost transition tuning.

what do you think of your ZT2? I need a new wideband for one of my GTRs. actually thinking about moving to a ZT2. it does have some nice features for not much more money over the other basic units.

[BlueRB240]

what do you think of your ZT2? I need a new wideband for one of my GTRs. actually thinking about moving to a ZT2. it does have some nice features for not much more money over the other basic units.

I love it, I own 2 of them. I log all my stuff though nistune so it works out perfect. It's a little over whelming at 1st. I just keep my eye on the A/F and egt then check things over after a pull on the dyno. I have the LCD display for mine but I find that not too useful when doing dyno runs. Keeping a eye on things when your driving it's not too bad. I want to get the new gauge tho looks like it's a little better on the eyes. I ran the same 02 sensor for 4 years before I had to change it. Just like the AEM it has the narrow band output to keep the factory ecu happy.

[Beer Baron]

thanks for the feedback mate. I will probably get one now. going to grab one of their E content displays with the ethanol sensor too.

[SargeRX8]

Do any of these sensors fit in the standard bung for the Skyline? Need something this week, I was looking at the innovate piece for around 200. As much good stuff I hear about them, I hear bad stuff. I don't want to spend much, just something which will give an good quick reading and I can use with my PFC for basic home tuning.

[zebra]

the Bosch one that came with my 2J1 kit fitted straight in

I'll try to get the part # tomorrow for you

[Hanaldo]

Yeh the AEM one fitted into the same spot as well. Pretty sure the wideband kits all use the same sensor, may be mistaken though.

The AEM is very easy to install and use, and can connect to a aftermarket ECUs or log through a laptop.

[SargeRX8]

Yeh the AEM one fitted into the same spot as well. Pretty sure the wideband kits all use the same sensor, may be mistaken though.

The AEM is very easy to install and use, and can connect to a aftermarket ECUs or log through a laptop.

Is the AEM one the one that can calibrate in the air or is that the Innovate piece? I'm stuck between the LC1 or the AEM AUEGO thing.

Is it the sensor which makes it wideband or the module? If you got the sensor and hooked it straight into the car will it just operate as a narrowband or can you wire it up to the FC Datalogit to use the wideband spectrum.

Edited October 2, 2011 by SargeRX8

[89CAL]

Wideband is able to read a 'wide' range of AFR's but a narrowband is designed to work it a 'narrow' band of AFR. A narrowband basically just reads about a 1 point AFR range, as this is only as much as is needed to keep a lean cruise AFR. The ECU only needs to add fuel if it is above this range, or take fuel if it is below this range till it gets within the region that the narrowband will read. Or at least this is how I understand it

widebands will work on a larger range. Its the sensor that is the wideband part. The gauge/controller is basically just reading signal from the sensor.

AEM UEGO's dont ever need to be calibrated, Innovates require fresh air calibration every 3 months (recommended at least) from memory. Have absoloutly no complaints about my AEM kit, and there not overly expensive at the moment

[NYTSKY]

what do you think of your ZT2? I need a new wideband for one of my GTRs. actually thinking about moving to a ZT2. it does have some nice features for not much more money over the other basic units.

I really like my Zeitronics kit. Very accurate and easy to setup.

Have a chat to the guys at JEM, will sort you out

[JonnoHR31]

standard bung is 18x1.5mm which is the same as the bosch lsu sensors used by innovate and several other brands.

no you cant wire the wideband directly into the narrowband signal, the wideband needs the controller to run it.

[KEBAB_DRIFTER]

I havent googled it , but my wiseband gauge is stuck on 14.8

once i start the car it goes thru the motions and the numbers change but once its going it just stays there (14.8)

dont tell me ive burnt the sensor out as some big mountain runs the turbo was glowing red , its about 12 inces before the cat