Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

Ok so now that ive got the drivetrain and stuff sorted.

ive been wanting to build a motor for a while and now im having issues deciding on what to do.

im only lookin for about 220rwkw.

so not really enough to justify doin an engine swap to a 25 or anythin. although id love to have a 26 in there. its just not worth it.

so i was plannin on stroking out an rb20 to put into my hr31. but after further research what i was plannin on doin it gonna be pointless.

20 block std, 25 crank and rods. and 20 pistons std. would give me f**k all extra capacity. and just cause clearance issues.

so what do people recommend in the way of buildin a 20.

i dont need to do anythin to the silvertop thats in the car currently. but i just want to put a fresh motor in so that i know i wont have to pull it out any time soon because its broken.

i was thinkin higher comp pistons, cams and a 2871r.

ideas/opinions?

you can get 220 on a rb20 with stock internals, may need metal head gasket to cope and too much effort with rb22/24 unless you like the stuffing around and not dosh

you'll also need a r32 ecu for tuning/ remap as the a31/c33 one is a lil out dated, has a heart beat of lean mixture ratio's here and there

kriss pulls 200kw

know of another ceffy with a rb20 thats making 220 at least so its doable

sau search for

rb oil control

oil pump

as stated metal head gasket ( or just see how long it lasts?)

note: ^ thats just for keeping it healthy no power gains

Edited by Dan_J

Unless you like building motors for fun, I'd just do the bolt on mods. I know of half a dozen rb20 personally that are un opened stock motors, running between 200 and 240rwkw. One of them was at that power, in a drift car for around 2 years, and was still running when he changed to a 26. Just get yours checked, comp, leakdown, if its healthy, start leaning on it. Check the rb20 power thread in forced induction section for some ideas. Peace.

Edited by CEF33Y

ah cheers man will check it out..

its not that i like building motors for fun. ive just always wanted to build a motor haha..

finally got around to fittin my new front bar up.

can anyone tell me why the original bar on my car didnt have the side mount vent?

the bar i have on now does and seems a little chunkier. and deffinately didnt have to cut half as much out of it to fit the bar on with the cooler.

pics later.

new bar fitted and clear indicators.

just need to get some clear side repeaters and itll be sweet.

2011-09-05110553.jpg

also put my turbo tech boost controller in. havent played with the boost yet. but probs gonna cram atleast 15psi through it haha.

hey got a question for all you rb20 guys out there..

My laurel (and my coupe did it to for that matter) seems to have a slight hesitation. i did some reading yesturday and found that most people seem to think its the cold start doin its rich and retard thing.

how ever this mornin i let my car idle for about 20 mins and made sure it was at full operatin temp before i even backed outta the drive way and it still did it.

basically what it is is driving along in any gear just cruising.

say the revs are bein held at 2500 rpm. constant throttle imput.

vac/boost gauge readyin at between 15-20 in the vac side.

all of a sudden exhaust not changes (gets deeper) vac gauge goes closer to neutral manifold pressure ie between 5-10 in the vac

and the car seems to lose power.

as if its been put under some sort of strain.

if i keep my throttle at the same point itll go away after anywhere from 5-45 seconds sometimes it just doesnt unless i put my foot down.

now when i had my r31 coupe id replaced just about every electrical thing i could

afm

cas

ignitor

converted to au falcon coil and leads

had the ecu nistuned

tps

aac

coolant temp sensor

o2 sensor

had it tuned about 5 times

and never found it.

never once outta the 5 times i had it on the dyno did it ever present the problem to the guy on the dyno (for reference i have the car tuned at boostworx by shaun)

anyone got any ideas.

finally fitted up the eurolines today

2011-09-11173313.jpg

2011-09-11151733.jpg

2011-09-11173342.jpg

and along with it my adjustable traction and camber arms

2011-09-11140409.jpg

unfortunately i had to raise the car up to fit them, and it looks like itll have to go up abit higher :(

still scrubs slightly over bumps and fairly badly when Im turning... f**kin hicas!!

gotta get a lock bar asap.

will get some better pictures tomorrow when Ive washed it and got more light to play with.

plugged in r32 ecu seems to run smoother and i dont get the 1-2k hunting on idle like i did before.

will see if i can compare the a31 vs r32 ecu power outputs when i go for the another run

so the main scrubbing on the rear is the rear bar ?

r32 ecu plugs in??? i thought they had different plugs? haha. hmmm

yeah mine hunts fairly badly from time to time on idle.

so you are runnin an r32 ecu yeah?

yeah mainly scrubbin on rear bar i believe. just not keen on cuttin it up.

mine plugs in fine, unless my s2/3 ecu plug is different to the s1 ecu plug, but none the less get one and plug it in.

yea hunting used to be so random on mine.

was running it on skids too and engine isn't dead so safe bet it works fine

Edited by Dan_J

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Well, after the full circus this week (new gearbag, 14 psi actuator on, injectors and AFM upgraded, and.....turbo repair) the diagnosis on the wastegate is in. It was broken. It was broken in a really strange way. The weld that holds the lever arm onto the wastegate flapper shaft broke. Broke completely, but broke in such a way that it could go back together in the "correct" position, or it could rearrange itself somewhere else along the fracture plane and sit with the flapper not parallel to the lever. So, who knows how and when exactly what happened? No-one will ever know. Was it broken like this the first time it spat the circlip and wedged itself deep into the dump? Or was it only broken when I tried to pry it back into place? (I didn't try that hard, but who knows?). Or did it break first? Or did it break between the first and second event of wierdness? Meh. It doesn't matter now. It is welded back together. And it is now held closed by a 14 psi actuator, so...the car has been tuned with the supporting mods (and the order of operations there is that the supporting mods and dyno needed to be able to be done first before adding boost, because it was pinging on <<14 psi with the new turbo with only a 6 psi actuator). And then tuned up a bit, and with the boost controller turned off throughout that process. So it was only running WG pressure and so only hit about 15-16 psi. The turbo is still ever so slightly lazier than might be preferred - like it is still a bit on the big side for the engine. I haven't tested it on the road properly in any way - just driven it around in traffic for a half hour or so. But it is like chalk and cheese compared to what it was. Between dyno numbers and driving feedback: It makes 100 kW at 3k rpm, which is OK, could be better. That's stock 2JZ territory, or RB20 with G series 550. It actually starts building boost from 2k, which is certainly better than it did recently (with all the WG flapper bullshit). Although it's hard to remember what it was like prior to all that - it certainly seems much, much better. And that makes sense, given the WG was probably starting to blow open at anything above about 3 psi anyway (with the 6 psi actuator). It doesn't really get to "full boost" (say 16 psi) until >>4k rpm. I am hopeful that this is a feature of the lack of boost controller keeping boost pressure off the actuator, because it was turned off for the dyno and off for the drives afterward. There's more to be found here, I'm sure. It made 230 rwkW at not a lot more than 6k and held it to over 7k, so there seems to be plenty of potential to get it up to 250-260rwkW with 18 psi or so, which would be a decent effort, considering the stock sized turbo inlet pipework and AFM, and the return flow cooler. According to Tao, those things should definitely put a bit of a limit on it by that sort of number. I must stress that I have not opened the throttle 100% on the road yet - well, at least not 100% and allowed it to wind all the way up. It'll have to wait until some reasonable opportunity. I'm quite looking forward to that - it feels massively better than it has in a loooong time. It's back to its old self, plus about 20% extra powers over the best it ever did before. I'm going to get the boost controller set up to maximise spool and settle at no more than ~17 psi (for now) and then go back on the dyno to see what we can squeeze out of it. There is other interesting news too. I put together a replacement tube to fit the R35 AFM in the stock location. This is the first time the tuner has worked with one, because anyone else he has tuned for has gone from Z32 territory to aftermarket ECU. No-one has ever wanted to stay Nistuned and do what I've done. Anyway, his feedback is that the R35 AFM is super super super responsive. Tiny little changes in throttle position or load turn up immediately as a cell change on the maps. Way, way more responsive than any of the old skool AFMs. Makes it quite diffifult to tune as you have to stay right on top of that so you don't wander off the cell you wanted to tune. But it certainly seems to help with real world throttle response. That's hard to separate from all the other things that changed, but the "pedal feel" is certainly crisp.
    • I'm a bit confused by this post, so I'll address the bit I understand lol.  Use an air compressor and blow away the guide coat sanding residue. All the better if you have a moisture trap for your compressor. You'd want to do this a few times as you sand the area, you wouldn't for example sand the entire area till you think its perfect and then 'confirm' that is it by blowing away the guide coat residue.  Sand the area, blow away the guide coat residue, inspect the panel, back to sanding... rinse and repeat. 
    • The detail level is about right for the money they charge for the full kit... AU$21.00 each issue, 110 issues for a total of $2,300 (I mentioned $2.2K in the first post when the exchange rate was better). $20/week is doable... 馃槓
    • If planning on joining us for the day(s) please indicate by filling in this form. https://forms.gle/Ma8Nn4DzYVA8uDHg7
    • You put the driver's seat on the wrong side! Incredible detail on all of this. It looks like you could learn a lot about the car just from assembling the kit.
  • Create New...