Someone With Knowledge Pls Help

[bluey33]

screw you hippy....my car ran 11psi thru a stock cooler and a pod and quite happily made 185kws all day everyday for years and it used to flutter when I lifted off so how am I no where ??

Maybe it is you that has no knowledge as you have offered nothing in the form of opinion other than to disagree with me..

So get outta my face

GTST has already sorted your theories out. I know well and truly more then you and know you should not be in this thread.

Congrats on making 185kw. You have truly impressed me

[Craigy B]

i thought this was supposed to be a civil discussion fellas.... thanks everyone for your inputs lol and advice

[ARTZ]

Op, you have 1 person saying the standard ecu can be tuned while everyone else is disagreeing.

I'm sure you can work out who knows what they are on about.

When did I ever say get your ECU tuned..I didnt..all I was implying was that he get the car checked out after changing things..so stop trying to act intelligent, you hear what you want to hear and act like somehow your a friggin wizard..but you still have offered nothing in the way of advice for this guy....

GTST has already sorted your theories out. I know well and truly more then you and know you should not be in this thread.

Congrats on making 185kw. You have truly impressed me

I did run 185kw for years without problem through a stock cooler..fyi i have 240kw that was built by me and tuned by status now and should have more soon as i get this new turbo in..GTST has sorted nothing and neither have you..other than your a couple of jerkoffs

i thought this was supposed to be a civil discussion fellas.... thanks everyone for your inputs lol and advice

sorry buddy was just trying to offer simple advice but smart asses with nothing better to do like to come in and act superior to people they dont even know..when I said "a quik tune never hurts" what i probably should of said was go for a quik dyno run to check the state of your tune and performance of your car.. i never meant you should retune you ecu which is totally possible, but to retune your stock ECU it will cost you about 500$ and isnt really worth it in your situation..

but apparently Im an idiot who has no clue according to these geniuses that surround us

If you dont believe the stock ECU can be tuned just type "TOSHI" into the search bar mate there is plenty of info there...

[mad082]

ok, a few things, a remap of the stock ecu isn't tuning the stock ecu. it is basically an aftermarket ecu as you have to physically modify the ecu to do it. you don't simply plug the laptop in and tune it.

as for gapping plugs and adjusting timing, that isn't really considered tuning. the difference it makes is minimal, and certainly isn't what the majority refer to as tuning for cars with an ecu.

thirdly, unless you have the recirculation hole blocked off in the bov or crushed the top of the bov to increase the spring tension, adding a pod filter won't give you any flutter from the bov, and even if you have done either of the above, the flutter is very minimal (i know this from personal experience, having done both). you will hear the bov noise (the "psssht" noise), but not a flutter (flutter is the "tu-tu-tu" noise as it isn't a single wave, but a few waves, which fits in with the definition of flutter).

the OP started a thread to get answers, not get tied in with technicalities. i simply posted saying that the stock cooler suffers from heatsoak easily (which it does) and that the stock ecu can't be tuned (which technically it can't) so that he didn't think it could be.

[045HOW]

GTST has already sorted your theories out. I know well and truly more then you and know you should not be in this thread.

This!

GTST and mad have it lol.

Also isn't it noted that you can't remap a 33 ecu,you need to remap a z32 ecu?

[Toshi]

R33 ecu is able to remap if you buy daughter board from Japan and also need emulator with nistune software.

Like a silvia , R34 ecu daughter board.

But cost very expensive (around $600-$650).

So Im doing make real time tune data by daughter board and data burn to chip then chip install R33 ecu.

If shops buy tools for R33 ecu any shop is able to tune R33 ecu.

I think shops do not want to spend money tools for only R33 ecu.

[jrm]

10psi is ok for the stock cooler, but you are better off with a front mount because the stock cooler is tiny and suffers from heat soak exceptionally fast.

as for flutter, you won't get it just by adding a pod, however you will be able to hear the induction noise and bov noise better.

On the street the stock cooler is adequate as long as your not driving around on redline..it is also more responsive.

I was getting bad heat soak on factory boost with the the bigger R34 stock intercooler on warm days when I was pushing it even a little. I wouldn't really recommend increasing the boost unless you're not planning on driving it hard during the day (and then what's the point, really?)

I also honestly didn't find any responsiveness difference between my Blitz returu-flow front-mount intercooler and the factory R34 intercooler. I honestly wouldnt recommend the factory intercooler, even on the R34, not alone the smaller R33 one.

I suspect you'll find the OP saying 'flutter' was referring to 'dose' as it's colloquially known in modified car circles. This is different to your regular louder blow-off valve sounds you'll get with a more 'open' intake system like a pod-filter. Note you can also remove the sound dampening in the factory air-box to get a louder induction noise and louder blow-off valve noises.

what do you mean it cant be tuned..you can still adjust timing and idle without an ECU and you can gap your spark plugs..that is tuning... Not that you should need to but it doesnt hurt to have it checked..

Maybe Ideally I should of said go get a dynorun but who cares..

... Yeah, no. Tuning in the context of these cars means modifying the fuel/timing for optimum air-fuel ratios - not simple stuff like setting your idle, setting spark-plugs gap and base timing - that's just basic car maintenance - not what I'd call 'tuning'. Sure you should have it 'right' but that's a prerequisite for the car running right anyway.

[ARTZ]

Firstly I would like to say thanx Toshi for your informative post and to JDM thanx for trying but sorry, car maintenance or not its still referred to in laymans terms as "TUNING".. Your average punter doesnt go in to a car workshop and say

" Hi, can you please change my oil and filters, check my timing and gap my plugs"

does he? He is more likely to go to a workshop and say

"Hi, can you service and tune my car"

He never asked about an intercooler and he also stated it was just for general purpose car so he probably isnt going to be driving it hard long enough to justify an intercooler I never really did and if I did it was at night when the air is cool and there is no traffic which is why I probably never had heat soak issues.alos noone has mentioned he should enclose his pod which would contribute to heatoak if not done..

. A couple of psi extra boost never hurts and I always change fuel pumps just cause the old ones are usually clapped out so I find it beneficial, though some may not agree..But many people I see spend up on intercoolers and such and totally neglect other parts of the car..

he also asked if changing to a pod would make noises and yes it would, now I apologize for my incorrect use of Homo terms such as dose and flutter but it will make a noise be it a whooossh or a tututu,, who really gives a rats ass they are generally stupid noises anyway unless the car is aweome..

Now I gave OP a simple answer to a simple question and if he walked into a workshop and asked for a tuneup they would know what he meant even if he didnt..but people in here it seems often like to assume others are not as smart or knowledgable as them and so they overcomplicate things to fuel their ego..

whos the knob who thought it was a good idea to revive this thread

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[jrm]

Firstly I would like to say thanx Toshi for your informative post and to JDM thanx for trying but sorry, car maintenance or not its still referred to in laymans terms as "TUNING".. Your average punter doesnt go in to a car workshop and say

" Hi, can you please change my oil and filters, check my timing and gap my plugs"

does he? He is more likely to go to a workshop and say

"Hi, can you service and tune my car"

I would wager this depends entirely on the car and the workshop. If you go into a regular ultratune/Profix/whatever with a regular vehicle - probably you're right - a 'tune' in that context would likely mean a 'tune-up' in this context. If you took your skyline to a performance mechanic with onsite dyno facilities, with a reputation for building/modifying cars - then asking for a 'tune' would equate to asking to remap your ECU to achieve optimum air-fuel ratios and ultimately power.

Personally, I wouldn't go into any workshop and use such vague terminology as 'can you service and tune my car', but I guess the layperson who isn't familiar with cars would - which is why in the context of a regular workshop, it's not an issue - it would mean a 'tune-up'.

Really, it's horses for courses - the same words can mean different things in different contexts - this isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

He never asked about an intercooler and he also stated it was just for general purpose car so he probably isnt going to be driving it hard long enough to justify an intercooler I never really did and if I did it was at night when the air is cool and there is no traffic which is why I probably never had heat soak issues.alos noone has mentioned he should enclose his pod which would contribute to heatoak if not done..

. A couple of psi extra boost never hurts and I always change fuel pumps just cause I find it beneficial some may not agree..

What's wrong with educating people about their modifications to ensure that they make the right decisions? An intercooler in situations of modifying your vehicle even at the most basic level is pretty much essential. Our cars suffer from severe heat soak in Australian conditions that these cars were never designed for. Australia's climate is far removed from Japans. Even in stock condition, the car suffers from heat-soak, increasing the boost is only going to exacerbate this condition.

he also asked if changing to a pod would make noises and yes it would, now I apologize for my incorrect use of Homo terms such as dose and flutter but it will make a noise be it a whooossh or a tututu,, who really gives a rats ass they are generally stupid noises anyway unless the car is aweome..

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Now I gave OP a simple answer to a simple question and if he walked into a workshop and asked for a tuneup they would know what he meant even if he didnt..but people in here it seems often like to assume others are not as smart as them and so they overcomplicate things to fuel their ego..

whos the knob who thought it was a good idea to revive this thread

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As mentioned earlier, I suspect the response to going into a workshop and saying 'Could I get a tune' is going to depend entirely on the workshop, and the vehicle you drive. Please note, here, that a 'tune' and a 'tune-up' are completely different things. A 'tune-up' would be closer to what you've been describing - essentially standard maintenance to the vehicle.

You're welcome to offer your opinions and advice as much as anybody else on these forums. Unfortunately, you seem to be assuming others are trying to 'out smart' you or criticize your advice when in reality they're merely trying to offer some assistance to the OP.

And yes, you're right - this is at the point of beating a dead horse. Best to leave this thread alone.

[mad082]

i would hazard a guess that very few people take their car to a mechanic/workshop and say "could you service and tune my car". they would say "my car needs a XX,XXXkm service" and that's it. very few people would know when the plugs would need changing, or anything about gapping them or checking/adjusting the base timing. if they did then they would ask for that to be done specifically rather than asking for it to be tuned.

and yeah, people would say that their car needs a tune up, rather than a tune, as this is generally said when their car isn't running 100%.

[ARTZ]

Howzabout I tune your face kent!!

[mad082]

you're welcome to give it a shot

[jrm]

The immaturity on this forum displayed by particular people is often simply staggering.

[PewPew]

I would wager this depends entirely on the car and the workshop. If you go into a regular ultratune/Profix/whatever with a regular vehicle - probably you're right - a 'tune' in that context would likely mean a 'tune-up' in this context. If you took your skyline to a performance mechanic with onsite dyno facilities, with a reputation for building/modifying cars - then asking for a 'tune' would equate to asking to remap your ECU to achieve optimum air-fuel ratios and ultimately power.

Personally, I wouldn't go into any workshop and use such vague terminology as 'can you service and tune my car', but I guess the layperson who isn't familiar with cars would - which is why in the context of a regular workshop, it's not an issue - it would mean a 'tune-up'.

Really, it's horses for courses - the same words can mean different things in different contexts - this isn't a difficult concept to grasp.

THIS!!!

[mad082]

The immaturity on this forum displayed by particular people is often simply staggering.

you have obviously mistaken the internet for something serious

[AngryRB]

+1 to jrm's comments, depending on the generation, a tune when talking skylines is more directed toward aftermarket i would of thought and a tune up , sounds like old style adjustments to already standard parts, although when my bro took his car to have a so called "tune" it had a standard computer so i have no idea what they called a "tune", more like they thought, this guy has no idea so lets charge him to move the cas a few millimeters and check his fuel mixture print out a dyno graph and claim we did a tune, he'll never know cause hes a dumbass anyway lol" , thanks you assholes for your hard work!!

my 2cents, peace people

Edited September 2, 2011 by SliverS2

[ARTZ]

sometimes being immature is fun, I think Marc knows I was just playin.

i really dont give a damn what some people think I know cause I know what I know and people that know me know this and everyone that dont know nothing about what I know should know..

I just dont give a damn..

peace people.....

[mad082]

sometimes being immature is fun, I think Marc knows I was just playin.

i really dont give a damn what some people think I know cause I know what I know and people that know me know this and everyone that dont know nothing about what I know should know..

I just dont give a damn..

peace people.....

yeah i just like an excuse to hop on my high horse.