Aussie Supersprint 2011 Eastern Creek

[R32 Stuart]

Just entered - who's in?

Should be a good event NSW and Aussie combined - 12th & 13th November - Eastern Creek.

Hoping for 2009 tune on R33 (1st) - Phillip Island - (Hey Jim -CRD?)

And / Or

Good suspension for AU (Hey Matt)

Cheers

Stuart & Karen

[PSI Parts]

Should be in, pending work commitments.

Not bad to make my debut at the last round haha

[evil_weevil]

Im 50/50 at moment - dont have the funds to enter at the moment which means when I do - maybe sold out!!

[hrd-hr30]

seems like the Vehicle Type Regs have changed to allow imports in any of the Types now, is that right?

My 180SX is unlikely to be ready by then. I wonder if the Aristo might be competitive in the near-stock Type 2 over 3L class... think I still have the stock intercooler somewhere...

[evil_weevil]

you wouldn't Harry...

[Duncan]

Not for me. It is SA, WA, Tas or NT's turn to run the national supersprint....this NSW>Vic>Qld bullshit is not a national championship.

To me it looks like the usual overpriced $$$ per minute supersprint from our friends at ARDC. Not to mention that "national" rules still don't exist for this "national" championship. 3 years, 3 sets of rules, and the NSW ones are very anti-turbo.

[Tim GTR]

Just entered - who's in?

Should be a good event NSW and Aussie combined - 12th & 13th November - Eastern Creek.

Hoping for 2009 tune on R33 (1st) - Phillip Island - (Hey Jim -CRD?)

And / Or

Good suspension for AU (Hey Matt)

Cheers

Stuart & Karen

Would love to do Eastern Creek straight after the Bathurst Drive on 9 and 10 Nov. Could not get into the ARDC web site for entry forms.will try again or contact Geoff Aenold.

Alex Cheung S15 and GTR33 track car. will try to bring both cars up to Sydney

[hrd-hr30]

Not for me. It is SA, WA, Tas or NT's turn to run the national supersprint....this NSW>Vic>Qld bullshit is not a national championship.

To me it looks like the usual overpriced $$$ per minute supersprint from our friends at ARDC. Not to mention that "national" rules still don't exist for this "national" championship. 3 years, 3 sets of rules, and the NSW ones are very anti-turbo.

It was supposed to be in SA this year according to the previous ASSC sporting regs, but that's changed somewhere along the line since last year. You can see the changes made to the schedule in the sporting regs: http://www.camsmanual.com.au/pdf/03_speed/SP10_Supersprint_SportingRegs_Q311-1.pdf

I don't have any real hope for national rules. QLD SuperSprinters do not want to change from the CAMS multi-car simultaneous start SuperSprint format to the single car at intervals Sprint format used in NSW. And tbh there's not much interest from the competitors at Warwick in hosting National Sprint Championship up here again after being forced to use Sprint rules at the last minute instead of the Supersprint rules that were publised in the Supp Regs last year. So I can't see the Warwick Sporting Car Club putting its hand up again, and that's the only CAMS track and club left up here really.

QR sort-of is too, but it's been cost prohibitive for CAMS clubs to hire the track for the past decade, with QR being a bit anti-competitive with its hire costs to outside clubs making their own sprint events much cheaper. As a result we've lost some CAMS Clubs who used to organise sprint events, like my old club SPARC. Pretty much the only one still doing it is Warwick Districts Sporting Car Club.

[evil_weevil]

Im actually keen to hit the creek one last time this year!

might put my entry in soon

[nismoman]

I'm in! Just sent my form yesterday and paid the entry fee.

Not too bad at only $330.00 for 2 days at the Creek! (including Dorian hire)

Great way to finish off the year and hopefully a chance to post some new PB's!

[R32 Stuart]

Got email today, Time Attack Cars eligable to run this event

Club and Open Class at last someone's seen the light.

Cheers Stuart

[hrd-hr30]

For starters its actually the Australian Sprint Championship (not a supersprint), run to NSW State Council vehicle categories and classes that really aren't understood, let alone recognised, by other states.

link to these new regs? bit late to change now with just 2 weeks to go??? what about those who have already entered??? thought they needed signed acceptance of changes from all entrants to make changes like that after entries opened???

At least its not quite the farce it was last year - where everyone signs up and pays to run an event as described in the supp regs only to find the morning of the event that they've caved to southerners and changed the event to suit them. ie from a multi-car supersprint format to a single car sprint format, and from cumulative timing to single fastest lap timing.

It will always be a joke until they have set national rules. And while they're at it, either rename it the Australian Sprint Championships or start running it as a Supersprint as per the CAMS definition.

Edited October 31, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[LSX-438]

... numbers must be low..

[evil_weevil]

Yeah im giving it a miss.

300 on entry fee + fuel + beer + food etc = money towards cams and ECU for the fagmobile

[R32 Stuart]

For starters its actually the Australian Sprint Championship (not a supersprint), run to NSW State Council vehicle categories and classes that really aren't understood, let alone recognised, by other states.

link to these new regs? bit late to change now with just 2 weeks to go??? what about those who have already entered??? thought they needed signed acceptance of changes from all entrants to make changes like that after entries opened???

At least its not quite the farce it was last year - where everyone signs up and pays to run an event as described in the supp regs only to find the morning of the event that they've caved to southerners and changed the event to suit them. ie from a multi-car supersprint format to a single car sprint format, and from cumulative timing to single fastest lap timing.

It will always be a joke until they have set national rules. And while they're at it, either rename it the Australian Sprint Championships or start running it as a Supersprint as per the CAMS definition.

Hi HRD-hr30,

On our Entry it clearly states at the top of the page - Kumho Tyres NSW and Australian Supersprint Championship Round 9

For speed event rules every state is different (when you get there) - QLD, Vic, SA and WA - BUT CAMs manual shows it quite clear under speed event rules - the home made state rules have been issues for years. These (NSW rules) are not much better, in both QLD and Vic we have been swapped to not less than three classes at arrival of event - same and similar with the hillclimb championships. With ARDC running it, over two days, just hoping for some track time.

Anyways, anyone going we will have all the tools and bits and pieces, including stick welder, jacks etc and microwave (very organised now days - frozen dinners are edable compared to canteen food - lol)

Come see us if you need anything.

Sprints and Super Sprints

Sprints and Super Sprints are mostly conducted at the recognised motor racing circuits around the country. Individual or small numbers of cars are released at regular intervals onto the track and generally complete several laps at a time racing against the clock, and not the other drivers out there at the time. Whilst sprints are not actually races, they give participants a great feel for what it is like to drive at high speed competitively around a race track and provide a fabulous test for car and driver alike. The recently organised Australian Super Sprint Championship will provide an annual opportunity for keen sprinters to hold aloft the ultimate prize.

Cars range from standard road cars to highly modified race cars, and participants are sent out onto the track with other compatible vehicles that lap at similar speeds.

Drivers must be at least 14 years of age to participate in sprints and super sprints and hold a level 2 Speed licence.

For further infromation visit:

www.supersprints.com.au

Which is the NSW site, so I would say that is what CAMs are basing Speed events on!

[260DET]

........................................ So I can't see the Warwick Sporting Car Club putting its hand up again, and that's the only CAMS track and club left up here really.

QR sort-of is too, but it's been cost prohibitive for CAMS clubs to hire the track for the past decade, with QR being a bit anti-competitive with its hire costs to outside clubs making their own sprint events much cheaper. As a result we've lost some CAMS Clubs who used to organise sprint events, like my old club SPARC. Pretty much the only one still doing it is Warwick Districts Sporting Car Club.

The last CAMS club sprint I went to at QR and was a complete stuff up organisation wise, particularly concerning scrutineering which delayed the start for hours. Lots of clubs and organisations run events at QR and Lakeside, they just happen not to be CAMS events.

[hrd-hr30]

CAMS is national mate. All that stuf you posted and linked is NSW centric. CAMS manual defines them as:

1.3 Lap Dash/Sprint: A single car speed event on a sealed or unsealed surface, usually conducted on a permanent circuit, track or dragway.

1.4 Supersprint: A multiple-car speed event, similar to a lap dash, conducted on a permanent sealed circuit in which two vehicles start simultaneously. They may be followed, after a suitable gap, by two other vehicles starting simultaneously.

what NSW call supersprints are what CAMS (and QLDers) call sprints. Single cars at intervals. Supersprints are 2 cars starting simultaneously, then another 2 starting at an interval.

Supersprints are designed to be a step between single car sprints and racing. Passing is allowed/encouraged.

btw, last year in QLD for the National Championships we didn't make any of our own rules. It was going to be a Supersprint as per the National rules in the CAMS manual with classes as per the National rules in the CAMS manual.

Edited November 1, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[hrd-hr30]

Lots of clubs and organisations run events at QR and Lakeside, they just happen not to be CAMS events.

None of which could host the CAMS Australian Super Sprint Championships...

[Duncan]

Firstly, I much prefer the QLD format and voted that way at last year's event.

1.3 Lap Dash/Sprint: A single car speed event on a sealed or unsealed surface, usually conducted on a permanent circuit, track or dragway.

1.4 Supersprint: A multiple-car speed event, similar to a lap dash, conducted on a permanent sealed circuit in which two vehicles start simultaneously. They may be followed, after a suitable gap, by two other vehicles starting simultaneously.

btw, last year in QLD for the National Championships we didn't make any of our own rules. It was going to be a Supersprint as per the National rules in the CAMS manual with classes as per the National rules in the CAMS manual.

But, 1.4 is how NSW and Vic run the events, it's just that they normally start 2 cars at a time from the pits, not from the starting grid (you will notice it doesn't say where they have to start). It also doesn't say where if it is timed over a single lap or total time from start for all laps to finish.

And finally, there were heaps of different rules in QLD related to classes. There was no standard class as there was the year before, and neither were the classes in the CAMS manual followed. In fact my car was put into sports cars where a GTR is not even eligible instead of some sort of touring car class which it is log booked as. No Skylines are eligible in sports cars yet, a fact I am working with the SCRAA to fix because their rules are potentially more skyline friendly than IPRA!

But I guess the point is, there isn't really much value in an annual championship with totally different rules every year. I don't really care what they decide, just choose something and stick to it!

[Snowman]

FWIW - the club we run with here in Vic (WRX Club) used to run the first half of the day as Sprints (single cars leaving at intervals from the pits) and the second half as Super Sprints (cars lined up on the grid and let off in 2's).

Super Sprints were fun - but not generally great for setting quick lap times.