Aussie Supersprint 2011 Eastern Creek

[R32 Stuart]

Oh by the way - to some, like it or not - R33 GTR gear box mods, replace 5th gear needle bearing with roller bearings and slight case mods required.

Purchase OSG sandwhich plate, machine 40 thou off 3rd gear syncro hub - add 2 support brackets to front housing and issues seem to be resolved.

To date no failures.

Suit circuit application

[Duncan]

yeah sounds like it is probably my turn.

And good to hear you've had more luck with the modified gtr gearbox....you've broken more gearboxes than I've broken engines.

[hrd-hr30]

Hi Harry

Maybe you might want to look at this - every state is more than two and interstaters even QLD'ers that I spoke to had a ball.

...competitors from every state with the exception of Tasmania. To a tee they are great competitors and good guys who would love to meet us on their own turf.

no need, I already looked at the results. They didn't list which state each competitor was from like we did last year, but these are the clubs represented:

CLUB - # of competitors - STATE

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MX5 - 29 - NSW

NSWRRC - 20 - NSW

MWSCC - 14 - NSW

MGCCN - 5 - NSW

Commodore - 1 - NSW

SFCC - 1 - NSW

Lotus - 2 - NSW

JSCC - 6 - NSW

TCC - 1 - NSW

SDMA - 2 - ACT!!!

WRX - 2 - NSW

Mini - 2 - NSW

VICWRX - 1 - VIC!!!!

ARDC - 21 - NSW

BLCC - 1 - NSW

LDCC - 2 - NSW

WSCC - 1 - NSW

CDCA - 13 - NSW

MR2 - 1 - NSW

NSCC - 2 - NSW

SSCC - 1 - NSW

blank - 1 - Natsoft turns the bloke up only at NSW tracks.

Driving Sports - 1 - NSW

AHRG - 1 - NSW

My bad, make it 3 interstate competitors. Yeah, congrats on the "Australian" title...

Stuart Inwood was second in his Type 4 Ford V8 Supercar with a Type and Class record breaking time of 1.35.994

must congratulate that guy on beating the Alfa Sud, S13 and VW Beetle by bringing his V8 Supercar to a club level event

[zebra]

Sandy Vag Harry?

[hrd-hr30]

but wait there's more on Nataoft than on the Supersprints.com.au results.

BMW CAR CLUB - NSW

WASCC - WA!!!

PCQ - QLD!!!

CDC of A - NSW

HSV Owners Club - NSW

NISSAN DATSUN - SA!!!

Maserati Club - VIC!!

JDCA - NSW

NSWRRC - NSW

NSWIPRA - NSW

CNCSCC - NSW

RENEW - NSW

4 more interstaters for a grand total of 7 interstate entries at the Australian Championships.

Yes, sandy vag over last year where some joker complained loudly enough to change the event we all paid to enter as per the sup regs. sandy vag over the lask of national rules. sandy vag over tossers turning up with things like Formula Holdens and V8 Supercars to club level events an patting themselves on the back over the national championships and class records...

Edited November 17, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[zebra]

Yes, sandy vag over last year where some joker complained loudly enough to change the event we all paid to enter as per the sup regs. sandy vag over the lask of national rules.

This I agree with...The rest...not so much

[Duncan]

yeah it is one of the basic facts of racing that you the car at the front has probably outspent the other competitors.

Hell if I drop by targa in my 22yo skyline I have to compete against Tony Quinn who had to choose between bringing his spec-v GTR (do they even exist?), a mosler, or a carbon aston martin. Or when I head down to nsw production cars, its the same car running 0.8bar on 1/2 season old tyres against Bobby Pearson's brand new factory supplied Evo X running 1.6bar and brand new tyres every race, with the best ecu, datalogging and suspension you can buy.

Even one make racing is bullshit, people just spend more cheating than in a more open category.

In the end, if the car follows the rules, expensive or not, good luck to the person driving it. Anyone that thinks any race cateogry is some sort of level playing field is not paying attention

[Roy]

must congratulate that guy on beating the Alfa Sud, S13 and VW Beetle by bringing his V8 Supercar to a club level event

4 more interstaters for a grand total of 7 interstate entries at the Australian Championships.

It is funny when you look at it that way. But a laptime is a laptime is a laptime. That in itself is where the credibility lays. Not the "Champion of the World" titles etc. Though who is going to knock a trophy even if it is from a thrown fight against out gunned cars

I am with FATZ and his idea for a series. I hope it gets off the ground as I reckon I am going to rock up with that Joss Supercar and not leave the pits due to a shopping list of excuses. But I will have Alpinestar gear on and not only look ace but will talk up a storm too

[R32 Stuart]

Harry

Glad you are not refering to me as we have a touring car - 1999 model at that 5lt on controlled tyre - that owes us half as much as the skyline - so its fine to run time attack cars/R35's on slicks and whatever mods, radicals etc . Club level - f*&K this was an Aussie!!

Believe we competed in 2010 - against a supercharged, honda powered lotus in type 2A - what happened to his two seats and how come diffusers are allowed in QLD 2A?

Are you stil pissed because you QLD'rs could not beat a R33 running up to shit last year - didn't matter which way they did the times, you still couldn't catch it - but at least we had a go at it.

but wait there's more on Nataoft than on the Supersprints.com.au results.

BMW CAR CLUB - NSW

WASCC - WA!!!

PCQ - QLD!!!

CDC of A - NSW

HSV Owners Club - NSW

NISSAN DATSUN - SA!!!

Maserati Club - VIC!!

JDCA - NSW

NSWRRC - NSW

NSWIPRA - NSW

CNCSCC - NSW

RENEW - NSW

4 more interstaters for a grand total of 7 interstate entries at the Australian Championships.

Yes, sandy vag over last year where some joker complained loudly enough to change the event we all paid to enter as per the sup regs. sandy vag over the lask of national rules. sandy vag over tossers turning up with things like Formula Holdens and V8 Supercars to club level events an patting themselves on the back over the national championships and class records...

[LSX-438]

Yes, sandy vag over last year where some joker complained loudly enough to change the event we all paid to enter as per the sup regs.

What actually happened?

[Roy]

Cool, another SAU-Motorsport Fight thread.

I will add, the smart thing to do is buy an already engineered car for a song and go quick. But when you develop and build something, which is hopefully quick you will always get folk viewing the efforts differently.

I am pretty slow by the times people do these days but everyone always comments its way fast for an RB20. Point is its slow and I have spent a fair whack on the car. Perception is it should be slow. V8 Supercar, call it whatever you want in 2011 terms, but its an ex front running Supercar from a Championship winning team.

Now back to the State of Origin flame wars. Anyone with more then a std OE Nissan 2L engine is a filthy cheat in my books

[hrd-hr30]

Harry

Glad you are not refering to me as we have a touring car - 1999 model at that 5lt on controlled tyre

remind me, what were those touring cars called in 1999? lol actually screw '99, back in February you said it was an ex Stone Bros' Supercar...

...

Soooo, I bought an AU Supercar...

...the SBR AU is the most fun I've had...

Club level - f*&K this was an Aussie!!

supersprints are designed to be an entry level event for people punting thier road cars or club level track cars around. The National Championships is for those blokes to go and have some fun against interstate competitors they don't normally run against, at tracks they probably don't otherwise get to. Its not for ex V8 Supercars to roll out and beat up on some home built Alfasuds and VW Beetles. See any other V8 Supercars there? Any National Series Sport Sedans etc? Ever wonder why? Think we might be trying a wee bit too hard to win this "f*&King Aussie"???

Believe we competed in 2010 - against a supercharged, honda powered lotus in type 2A - what happened to his two seats and how come diffusers are allowed in QLD 2A?

HPE's are allowed in Prod Sports for stock sports cars! And it was CAMS categories 2A, 2B and 2F combined, not your NSW specific speed event classes where 2A is for white camry's with removed mudflaps...

He does have 2 seats. And he drove the damn thing there and back as well. Its a perfect example of what Supersprints are about. Fast road cars and amatuer drivers. And that's a startlingly fast road car!

Are you stil pissed because you QLD'rs could not beat a R33 running up to shit last year - didn't matter which way they did the times, you still couldn't catch it - but at least we had a go at it.

but that QLD'er you just finished whinging about did beat you! by 2.5sec! before driving it home lol

Edited November 17, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[hrd-hr30]

What actually happened?

what actually happened is the same guy who said this about this year's event

Well without most of the crap (mostly unread) above we have a fairly full field - as far as sprints and supersprints and or hillclimbs or racing - read the supp regs, if thats the rules and you want to run - do it, if you don't like it don't!

did this last year...

... I rang Bill last week, he has got our entries - we are in? - don't know what class, we have sent them a copy of the National Supersprint Rules - apparently to date they have dropped the standing start, but to date have not heard on classes.

They did appologise as they have there state supersrpint this weekend and hillclimb next - so therefore no doubt it is a busy club. We did also question this is also a national event and would appreciate entries / classes - sorted asap.

Bill and event secretaries numbers are same, same - you'll get Bill - personally I think everyone entered may have to take a copy of

2010 Australian Supersprint Championship

Sporting Regulations from CAMs website with them - attached

read the supp regs, entered the event and then lobbyed to change the event, and finally got his way by continuing to complain up till the morning of the event. The other competitors who entered the event as described in the supp regs got the news at the drivers breifing. There was a vote that looked pretty evenly split but the result was he got his way. Then later said to my face he had nothing to do with it all...

but I'm sure I don't have to tell you how politicaly he plays the motorsport game...

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/343296-should-a-300km-per-hour/page__hl__australian

Edited November 17, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[evil_weevil]

yeah it is one of the basic facts of racing that you the car at the front has probably outspent the other competitors.

Hell if I drop by targa in my 22yo skyline I have to compete against Tony Quinn who had to choose between bringing his spec-v GTR (do they even exist?), a mosler, or a carbon aston martin. Or when I head down to nsw production cars, its the same car running 0.8bar on 1/2 season old tyres against Bobby Pearson's brand new factory supplied Evo X running 1.6bar and brand new tyres every race, with the best ecu, datalogging and suspension you can buy.

Even one make racing is bullshit, people just spend more cheating than in a more open category.

In the end, if the car follows the rules, expensive or not, good luck to the person driving it. Anyone that thinks any race cateogry is some sort of level playing field is not paying attention

Agreed.

I race agaisnt MX5's that have 130rwkw from built NA motors that are on slicks.

I have 75rwkw and am on semi's

people with decent coin and sponsorship will always win...or do very very well!

It doesnt matter me what event I enter I know I wont win I am there for fun.

Good on Stu for doing a 1.35

eitherway, it was an event anyone could turn up to and race and people did.

/end thread.

[LSX-438]

what actually happened is the same guy who said this about this year's event

did this last year...

read the supp regs, entered the event and then lobbyed to change the event, and finally got his way by continuing to complain up till the morning of the event. The other competitors who entered the event as described in the supp regs got the news at the drivers breifing. There was a vote that looked pretty evenly split but the result was he got his way. Then later said to my face he had nothing to do with it all...

but I'm sure I don't have to tell you how politicaly he plays the motorsport game...

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/343296-should-a-300km-per-hour/page__hl__australian

Jesus Christ, if i had travelled interstate and the published regs where changed (materially) at the last second murder would be done! Vote or no, that's just disgusting. But unfortunately i am not surprised. This sort of stuff is really destroying the sport.

[hrd-hr30]

Agreed.

I race agaisnt MX5's that have 130rwkw from built NA motors that are on slicks.

I have 75rwkw and am on semi's

people with decent coin and sponsorship will always win...or do very very well!

It doesnt matter me what event I enter I know I wont win I am there for fun.

nothing wrong with that. that's the nature of motorsport. as someone with a full street trim S13 and only as much power as every almost every modified Silvia road car, I'm under no allusions about my car's position in life either.

but there's a fundamental difference between a more modified road car and lobbing up to a sprint event in a Stone Brother's Racing V8 Supercar, then patting yourself on the back for beating the Alfasud and Beetle and on setting a lap record while at the same time complaining about road cars using slicks or having capacities over 6L...

Sorry XR6T owners, this V8 Supercar driver doesn't think its fair that you can run your road going Falcon turbo or bolt on supercharged Commodore street car in a sprint event with him...

f**k me, sprints are entry level events designed for road cars!

Edited November 18, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[djr81]

nothing wrong with that. that's the nature of motorsport. as someone with a full street trim S13 and only as much power as every almost every modified Silvia road car, I'm under no allusions about my car's position in life either.

but there's a fundamental difference between a more modified road car and lobbing up to a sprint event in a Stone Brother's Racing V8 Supercar, then patting yourself on the back for beating the Alfasud and Beetle and on setting a lap record while at the same time complaining about road cars using slicks or having capacities over 6L...

Sorry XR6T owners, this V8 Supercar driver doesn't think its fair that you can run your road going Falcon turbo or bolt on supercharged Commodore street car in a sprint event with him...

f**k me, sprints are entry level events designed for road cars!

Not sure what it is like over east but from WA is the list of top ten finishes at our last state based sprint/hillclimb series.

Pashley Marengo

Pilbeam MP 56

Radical SR3

Pashley Marengo

Radical SR3 2007

Nissan 180SX

Speads RM07

Brabham BT23

Mitsubishi Evo 3

Birkin S3

The 180SX has a 7 litre motor and is on slicks, the EMO was fully stripped/caged. The closest thing to a road car was the Birkin which was the same car as entered the national championship.

Basically from what I can tell sprints are no longer just for road cars and if you enter one you cant expect to finish up the pointy end. I guess once you accept that (Or dont) it makes sense to get as an eclectic group as possible just for interest sake.

Even when you turn up in a "class" car for a sprint - in my 4WD class anyway there is always someone with a stripped/caged Emo running on a rally rego plate and E85 with stupid boost. It is "road registered" so what do you do?

[nismoman]

nothing wrong with that. that's the nature of motorsport. as someone with a full street trim S13 and only as much power as every almost every modified Silvia road car, I'm under no allusions about my car's position in life either.

but there's a fundamental difference between a more modified road car and lobbing up to a sprint event in a Stone Brother's Racing V8 Supercar, then patting yourself on the back for beating the Alfasud and Beetle and on setting a lap record while at the same time complaining about road cars using slicks or having capacities over 6L...

Sorry XR6T owners, this V8 Supercar driver doesn't think its fair that you can run your road going Falcon turbo or bolt on supercharged Commodore street car in a sprint event with him...

f**k me, sprints are entry level events designed for road cars!

Agree with Evil-weevil as well.

Harry - you need to take a chill pill. Getting all worked up over an event you didn't even attend lol! You're funny as.

Supersprints aren't for road cars anymore, get over it. The rule/regs allow for unregistered cars to compete.

If you want to compete against road cars only, maybe you need to find an event that only allows road registered cars entry.

Also, why can't someone go and buy a radical/open wheeler/V8Supercar or sports sedan and enter in sprints?

You might be thinking "why would they bother?" Maybe they like the style of event and don't want to go door to door racing, who knows?

It's still an achievement for them personally if they beat their PB or set new PB's for the car.

It's a free country, they are free to enter the competition, so suck it up princess and move along!

[hrd-hr30]

over here sprints and hillclimbs are seperate. Hillclimbs have always been about the open wheeler F.Libres, which are in seperate classes and other homemade hillclimb specials which run in things like 2A sports cars open.

Just like motorkhanas have specials in their own seperate classes.

All's fair in those basicaly no limits classes. And its good to see those outright vehicles going head to head on equal terms.

Its worth noting that after what happened last year, not a single QLD competitor from last year's Aus Championships entered this year. Tells you something...

[djr81]

over here sprints and hillclimbs are seperate. Hillclimbs have always been about the open wheeler F.Libres, which are in seperate classes and other homemade hillclimb specials which run in things like 2A sports cars open.

Just like motorkhanas have specials in their own seperate classes.

All's fair in those basicaly no limits classes. And its good to see those outright vehicles going head to head on equal terms.

Its worth noting that after what happened last year, not a single QLD competitor from last year's Aus Championships entered this year. Tells you something...

Its funny you say that about formula libre & hillclimbs. Over here the most recent trend is to stop open wheelers from competing in hillclimbs (on safety grounds) and now open topped cars (same grounds). Our series had to bin a round at Meelup (best hillclimb venue we have) because of a ban on both those types of cars. "Permanent" hillclimb tracks ar ok for some reason - even wheen they are more dangerous that the ones one closed public roads.

So, yeah turn up in a 800hp GTr and you are fine. A 100hp MX5 & you are unsafe. Madness.