Aussie Supersprint 2011 Eastern Creek

[hrd-hr30]

But, 1.4 is how NSW and Vic run the events, it's just that they normally start 2 cars at a time from the pits, not from the starting grid (you will notice it doesn't say where they have to start).

how do you start 2 at a time from pits? I've been to Oran Park, Wakfield and EC and the pit lanes aren't wide enough for 2 cars at a time starts. And you can't start at the same time if its one car behind the other now can you? Just because you follow each other out of the pits in pairs doesn't make it a 'start' of a supersprint... lol in that case all our sprints up here start about 12-15 cars at a time! I guess that's a race by NSW definitions.

It also doesn't say where if it is timed over a single lap or total time from start for all laps to finish.

It doesn't, but the supp regs did. The CAMS regs alllow you to base times on individual laps or the complete run. But in Supersprints its customary to start in grid formation (because that's the only way to actually start cars 2 at a time) and time the complete run. In Sprints its customary to start timing at the first flying lap after releasing the cars from the pits and base results on fastest lap of the day.

And finally, there were heaps of different rules in QLD related to classes. There was no standard class as there was the year before, and neither were the classes in the CAMS manual followed. In fact my car was put into sports cars where a GTR is not even eligible instead of some sort of touring car class which it is log booked as. No Skylines are eligible in sports cars yet, a fact I am working with the SCRAA to fix because their rules are potentially more skyline friendly than IPRA!

The classes were as per the manual. Its just that some cars don't neatly fit in anywhere so they apply some common sense. They'd be breaking a rule somewhere no matter where you were put. Except for Sport Sedans, but they didn't put you there as they assume its not fair to put a full bodied car on semis in a slicks and wings class where almost anything goes. btw, I know of Skylines log booked as 2nd category, and some have run in 2nd category classes at National level - Nations Cup for example.

Edited November 1, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[zebra]

I know of Skylines log booked as 2nd category, and some have run in 2nd category classes at National level - Nations Cup for example.

Interesting.....because they aren't on the CAMS Group 2 List, Even have guys down here talking to CAMS about getting them on the list??

Does this mean that CAMS aren't on the ball (well more than usual) and haven't updated the 2nd Category approved cars?

[evil_weevil]

cams supersprint classes and cams prod sports and ipra are different classes

for example..

supersprints I run in 2B

if I were to run prod sports it would be 2F.

harry, they let you go with another car from pits but its not side by side, I go, then you go.

then on warm up lap if you think old mate in front is going to be slower you can go past

[hrd-hr30]

cams supersprint classes and cams prod sports and ipra are different classes

for example..

supersprints I run in 2B

if I were to run prod sports it would be 2F.

those "Supersprint" classes you're referring to are made up by NSW State Council, loosely based on the CAMS categories in the CAMS manual, they're not CAMS (as in Australia wide) classes.

harry, they let you go with another car from pits but its not side by side, I go, then you go.

exactly - "I go, then you go" is not starting 2 at a time.

even more so if the timing doesn't start until you complete the out lap and cross the start/finish line one at a time - that's the start of the sprint. you can't claim the sprint starts before the timing has started.

that's not a supersprint, its a plain old single car sprint.

Edited November 2, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[nismoman]

I like the NSW Sprint format.

You don't have the strain on the drivetrain by launching from a standstill.

You have a good amount of time to warm up the tyres and brakes before your timed lap starts.

There is a good opportunity to space yourself with the other car you are released with to ensure you both get some good clean laps without affecting your lap time.

Sessions and groups flow quickly as you don't have to wait for cars to "grid up" on the circuit.

That said, I wouldn't mind trying the other format of gridding up and starting with another car and the timing starts from the get go. Adds another dimension to it all and something different.

I agree that there should be a national set of rules/format for a national event, but it's hard when all the states run different rules/formats.

As far as classes go - they suck! I had to run in Sports Sedans when I have a full chassis silvia with 200kw and semi slicks.

My only other choice was to fit a turbo restictor and make some other suspension changes to run in improved production.

But meh... I'm not fussed as I'm pretty competitive and not many restrictions. We don't have the likes of Hossack or Riccardello turning up to our events, as they have bigger and better (televised) events to attend.

Sports sedans at this level is usually a bunch of guys like me that work/modify their own car and try to go as fast as you can on a budget.

I'm looking forward to the 12/13th of November as it will be the first 2 day event for me and probably one of the last times we could get a run at the "old" Eastern Creek circuit.

[hrd-hr30]

yeah, sprints are great. Most of the events I do are sprints. But why call it a Supersprint when its a Sprint? May as well call it the Australian Hillclimb Championship - Its not that either. Supersprints are very different to Sprints.

[The Bogan]

As a drive it to the event and run it kind of guy I like the way its run, lots of room, no door to door, only overtaking on the straights, it good safe motorsport for guys who just want to have some fun on a track and get timed whilst doing it, and not have to worry about someone in their race car taking me out mid corner.

I'm only out there to have fun and not race for sheep stations though.

Isn't this what supersprints was first implemented for, Joe Average.

[nismoman]

yeah, sprints are great. Most of the events I do are sprints. But why call it a Supersprint when its a Sprint? May as well call it the Australian Hillclimb Championship - Its not that either. Supersprints are very different to Sprints.

I guess the organisers think it sounds better with "super" in front of the word sprint! lol who knows?

Maybe they think the two definitions are close enough to be interchangable.

The definition of a lap dash/sprint says "single car speed event" and of a supersprint says "a multi-car speed event similiar to a lapdash". I take that as a lap dash/sprint event being only one car on the track at a time. Our events in NSW have up to 10 cars on track at any one time. It says in the regs "Cars will be started in pairs; the number of pairs will be 8 for orange and green groups and 10 for all other colour groups". To me that fits the description of a multi-car speed event and not a single car speed event.

Really we are just splitting hairs here aren't we?

I think they (CAMS, State Organisers) should sort out the class categories so that vehicles are more closely matched/grouped. That is the real challenge and more of a priority than the event format.

Anyway, I'm keen to do some MRA events and maybe IRACE next year and do some proper racing.

[hrd-hr30]

single car sprints are run with several cars on the track at once seperated at intervals and with passing generally only allowed on straights. The single car/multi car relates to how the cars are started - eg Autocrosses are also single car speed events with several cars on the track at once. In single car events, single cars are started at intervals and race nothing other than the clock. In multi car speed events "two vehicles start simultaneously" and race each other and the clock. So its not splitting hairs. They're very different events. I can see how Sydney competitors would be confused as they've never seen anything other than a sprint event.

At a Supersprint those 8 cars would go out, do a warm up lap and then stop on the grid as you would in a race. Cars are started in pairs - the first two go then the next two move forward to the start line and are released after a short interval, and so on. Timing is cumulative for the run, not based on single fastest lap. Racing is allowed, not only overtaking on straights. Supersprints are designed to be a stepping stone between sprints and racing.

Edited November 2, 2011 by hrd-hr30

[hrd-hr30]

I can see how Sydney competitors would be confused as they've never seen anything other than a sprint event.

Actually this isn't quite true. BLCC know what a Supersprint is - they do it every year at the Bathurst Speed Weekend.

[The Bogan]

I thought regularity was the stepping stone ?

Me so confuse.

Suppose its like hook turns in Vic, everyone wants there own system, stupid systems

[hrd-hr30]

regularity is something only old blokes are concerned about...

[nismoman]

I thought regularity was the stepping stone ?

Me so confuse.

Suppose its like hook turns in Vic, everyone wants there own system, stupid systems

Regularity is quite a cool competition to hone your driving skills to become more consistent lap after lap.

Not a bad alternative to supersprints and the like. You still get to go as fast as you want, just be consistent.

Don't have to be old like Harry to be interested in them

[260DET]

None of which could host the CAMS Australian Super Sprint Championships...

I guess any Q CAMS affiliated club could host that championship and there are plenty of those in Q. The thing would be to find one willing and able to do it. Then again there is nothing stopping AASA from running their own championship although running any socalled Australian championship in just one state sounds like bullshit to me anyway. It's just like running a Q championship using just one circuit.

Edited November 2, 2011 by 260DET

[hrd-hr30]

RE regularity - its not about going as fast as you want. To win you need to nominate a time a fair bit slower than you're capable of to factor in the traffic you'll encounter on most laps. Its for old blokes who like maths and stuff. Its like a big average speed run. Boring. James May would revell in it! What other kind of motorsport can you win even if you're the slowest mofo out there? yawn... The best/ most likely way to win regularity is to be the slowest where everybody else catches and has to pass you. None of that prepares you for racing.

Supersprints (actual supersprints) are about going as fast as you can consistently over the whole run, from the standing start when the start flag is dropped or the lights go out, till the chequered flag. You know, like a race... And the fastest wins - like a race... And you can race another car - you know, like a race! lol

[evil_weevil]

a 6 hour regulartiy with teams would be fun though.

people still treat regularitys like a sprint and just go fast as its track time (Ryan!)

however as you say, looking at natsoft at a prev wakefield meeting, all the regularity guys were doing 1.25's +

regularity at bathurst would be different

[Marlin]

I'm with Harry here..... AGAIN! lol

[evil_weevil]

I'm with Harry here..... AGAIN! lol

You feeling ok Ben?

[Marlin]

On the way to the doc now!

[hrd-hr30]

i prefer to self medicate