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The problem is individuals owning a VW as far as those whom I know love to stick their noses in the air and associate it as a "prestige" and therefore better which is generally not the case. In addition to the tuning etc. made to the engine and thinking that they have superior performance/reliability as opposed to japanese cars, assuming that you're not trashing the shit out of your jap car.

Regarding the leaning out thing, it's because they made it readily available and marketed it and made it mainstream, people don't realise the harm they are doing to their cars and take them to a VW service centre which are probably going to use sub-par oils/fluids that are not made for the increase in power obtained from the aggressive tune, not to forget, stock internals.

Anything above 227 hp (not much room to play with) from a stock GTI engine is going to cause problems, APR stage 1 gets you 254 hp, way above the limit for the stock engine. The Audi TTS which has 265 hp has the same 2.0L I4 engine reinforced from factory, if the engineers from Audi thinks that a reinforced engine is required to take that sort of horsepower, what makes you think that APR's claims that they are tuning it within the limits of a stock GTI engine without any reinforcements are true? Furthermore, every 2.0L i4 engine from VW that produces more or equal to 169kw's of power comes with reinforcements made to the internals. I think their engineers know what's good for their own engines and what isn't.

4th paragraph from: http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/2010-audi-tts-road-test-review highlights the reinforcement of the engine internals from the 2.0L i4 engine to accommodate the increase in power from the tune/turbo upgrade.

But meh, at the end of the day, I just hate it when people judge you for driving a japanese car when they drive a european one. It's not the car, just the driver's that reek of elitism that annoys me :P , and my advice to any potential/current GTI owners, please just keep the engine stock or face reliability issues down the road, unless you're going to reinforce the internals :thumbsup: then go crazy!! :banana:

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Yes it is xD polo's too are pretty affordable hatches too nowadays (plus it's european :rofl2:) , good for transporting stuff around :yes:

what are you smoking? 227hp is some sort of brick wall and if you push out 228 you will be watching conrods fly through the bonnet the first time you start it?

It's pretty simple... if you talk about mods in stages, you have no idea what you are on about and are getting ripped off with overpriced, mostly generic tunes. It also means you are a gay and love the cock.

VW's are no different to any other car, you can puch more power out of them but you have to understand that you are increasing the risk of catastrophic failure.

this discussion does remind me of working at autobarn... nothing, and I mean NOTHING is worse than a Golf GTi or Golf R driver. (mini cooper S would be a close second)

Every day one of these flaming homo's would be in there dickbagging on about how fast their car is and how it needs special fluids from the VW workshop etc....

I used to take great pleasure in giving them shit... i'd always give them the cheaper of the appropriate liquimolly oils and say...

"This one's will be fine for your golf, it's not like you drive a sports car or anything..."

this would always be followed up with "It's a GTi. it's a turbo"

to which I would reply, "yeah I know... that was my point, it's not like it's a powerful sports car that needs special oils... i mean if it WAS and you were doing track days etc you would wanna look at the 300v over there, but for your application the liquimolly will be fine..."

then they would ask what I drive, to which I would simply reply with... "the 500hp skyline out the front"

always followed by deadly silence, broken only by the noise of the cash register ringing up the overpriced liquimolly....

memories lol

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What's with all the new users in wasteland? Start talking VW and 20 people come out of the woodwerken. Do you lurk here normally or just type VW into forum searches / Google all day?

Been a SAU member for a long time, ocasionally have a read here. Lol no I don't search vw over the net, some comments here just caught my eye.

what are you smoking? 227hp is some sort of brick wall and if you push out 228 you will be watching conrods fly through the bonnet the first time you start it?

It's pretty simple... if you talk about mods in stages, you have no idea what you are on about and are getting ripped off with overpriced, mostly generic tunes. It also means you are a gay and love the cock.

VW's are no different to any other car, you can puch more power out of them but you have to understand that you are increasing the risk of catastrophic failure.

no lol what I'm implying is that there isn't much room for the gti to mod, and even something as minor as a stage 1 tune as they would call it, will cause reliability issues in the long run. In addition this mod in stages is precisely my point, it is stupid and is just scamming all the vw drivers out there. Like the crap they claim at goapr. Plus the fact that after these "stage mods" they claim that their car is the friggin best lolol.

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