Vic Wasteland Thread

[Birds]

Still needs to be discussed beforehand, whether you have partners or not - easy to overlook this because he didn't have one at the time, but gf and bf are pretty much the number one cause of dissolution between flatmates

Ultimately you have to be happy where you're living and giving in to his requests, you might accept at first, but will continue to feel dissonance about it and then end up in the same argument down the track but a harder fight

Get a flatmate who is a hopeless romantic failure - he'll never close and you'll never see more than one shower from him

[Kinkstaah]

Clearly I'm on the opposite spectrum on this issue and kind of just laugh when I wonder how this is an issue.

What's wrong with 4 people living there?

Just can't see it.

It's not like they're having sex inside your bedroom while you're trying to watch TV or whatever, I can't see the impact other than what would be a super marginal increase in some inconsequential bill that you would actually have to use some serious data analysis skills to determine the cost of.

Would bet that if you get them to move out, the next five people that move in after this couple are gonna be considerably worse

Still impossible to know over the internets.

Put up some cameras and live stream it all so we can all make better judgments of your personal living arrangements

[UNR33L]

That's just it you said it 'living' there = contribute as far as I'm concerned.

You're right hard to explain over the interwebs.

I probably wouldn't bother getting another roommate and just turn the second room into a study / entertainment or something

Basically I only posted here to see if I was being too much of a hard ass or reasonable with the 3 night rule.

Edited June 3, 2015 by UNR33L

[Kinkstaah]

You're right in the sense that people are living there so they should contribute.

But you're already receiving contribution by the people living in the resources that you're basically renting them (as I see it)

She should really only be paying more contribution if she's actually using (and can be proven to be) more resources than what you are renting out to your mate. If your mate went on holidays for 6 weeks and she lived there 24/7 and your mate has paid the rent and bills in his absence, she would be expected to contribute $0 extra in such an example. Don't think about it in terms of "how many people are using resources" but as a "these are the resources that are being consumed"

Source: Often a mediator for share house disputes... ffs.

But I'm fairly cruisy.

One thing I've noticed through housemate stories is everyone's tolerance for literally everything varies wildly

[Birds]

I say it can be hard enough getting used to living with a partner let alone a friend and their partner - too many variables.

Leesh and I have a spare bedroom with a queen bed in it - it exists only for family members to visit and stay. Other than that it's my music/guitar room and storage.

Could save a bundle on rent by rooming it out to someone, but then we lose that luxury of the spare room and it's not like you can make that person stay in their room all the time - they will infringe on you no matter how they keep to themselves.

I think it would be easier going from living at home with parents to living with flatmates than living by yourself and then living with flat mates. Living by yourself; dat solitude is addictive even if it's a lonely existence.

[dezz]

Bills aren't even the issue, it's his house and he rented a room to his mate, not his mates Mrs.

By your logic, his mate could have his Mrs, her brother and his Mrs all living there as he's paid for a room, so as long as they sleep in that room it's all good.

f**k that for a joke. My house my rules, don't like it? Get the f**k out

[Leroy Peterson]

Greg makes some good points.

But following that logic, someone could have brought in a mail-order bride and her entire family and still plead the "we're paying for half, whats the problem?" argument.

Having lived in a small 2-bedroom flat with one other person (and sometimes a bf, and sometimes my gf) it does feel a lot smaller. someone is usually blocking the fridge, someone has the TV or speakers too loud, someone is having a shower so no one can use the washing machine or use the toilet, someone hasnt done dishes yet so you cant have a glass of water without reshuffling the entire benchspace. etc.

Tolerance is an interesting word, but at the end of the day the agreed rental amount + bills covers 2 people with lenience for extras every so often.

[UNR33L]

Yeah it's intense at times, luckily toilet / laundry is separate from bathroom or it'd be worst. It's not a huge place and you do trip over each other sometimes.

I'm tolerable and reasonable, it's also weird, within the first stay, tooth brush was in the cup, I'm currently storing her pushbike next to my motorbike, she used to park in the residential area as well and now that I know it's convenient / close to work I feel so used.

Dezz pretty much my thoughts exactly - it's a house and roof to live under, bills don't care about.

How do I kindly go about saying "f**k that for a joke. My house my rules, don't like it? Get the f**k out " rofl

Edited June 3, 2015 by UNR33L

[Kinkstaah]

It is, which is why I said if you can co-exist with people who are generally pretty chilled and have a fun, good vibe kind of place..

... is worth more than $20 extra a week by upsetting the balance or hitting the reset button and trying again with new housemates

[UNR33L]

Difference between co-existing with people and people sponging off you though.. (I know shes on good coin too)

I'd prefer to live by myself if it's not gonna get sorted. OR she can throw me some money and stay how ever long she wants - if it were me on the other end I'd feel that I'd have to contribute something living at some dudes house

Edited June 4, 2015 by UNR33L

[Birds]

Follow Birds' advice...he will never do you wrong with it.

[Kinkstaah]

Dezz pretty much my thoughts exactly - it's a house and roof to live under, bills don't care about.

How do I kindly go about saying "f**k that for a joke. My house my rules, don't like it? Get the f**k out "

You can't - It isn't nice.

That's not to say it isn't fair, cause it's entirely fair. It is your place.

But when they're paying rent, they aren't in an hotel room, when people pay rent they expect that they're living there, which means, well it is their home.

People gonna treat it that way, and, well, anyone who rents from you is also going to feel they have the right to do that.

The money you receive from renter is compensation for having to wait to use water etc, people getting in the way of the fridge, etc.

By your logic, his mate could have his Mrs, her brother and his Mrs all living there as he's paid for a room, so as long as they sleep in that room it's all good.

It is. Inside that room they can do whatever - it's what they are paying for. It's their home now. It's an important distinction to make.. it is their private area, and their rent covers being able to comfortably use and live in shared areas.

This also means they have the right and the expectation to be 100% comfortable that shared areas are also their home.... as much as Leigh does, not any less than that.

[Kinkstaah]

She should have to contribute, but she may be effectively sub-letting from your mate, not necessarily resulting in you receiving double rent.

You'd have to assess impact and actually provide some kind of numbers to them that are based in reality if you don't want them to get angry and both move out. I don't know how close you are to this friend but it can result in permanently killing friendships over things like this.

If you increase your mate's rent by 20% (or whatever amount you choose), you're going to need to be able to explain why its costing you more for them to accept it..

You've got to make them understand where you're coming from or you will get pushback (which you already have as they instantly said "Oh yeah mate make an exception on the first week aye?". If they don't understand it they will think you're being a flamin mongrel, whether you have a solid case or not

[PENGUYEN]

Paid by sexual favors, ez.

[emts]

do you discount his rent if your missus stays over?

[UNR33L]

It's already a bit of a shit storm and gonna be awkward, my mrs doesn't live there & barely stays

e.g might come over for a bit (subtle), but will go home for dinner / etc, I would deff sort something out if my mrs started living there because it wouldn't be fair. (cos i[m not a flamin mongrel)

Edited June 4, 2015 by UNR33L

[joeyjoejoejuniorshabadoo]

[alr33x]

I can't believe this is still goin wasn't this last weeks topic?

I still think bit stiff asking for more money cos theoretically she is barely costing more you just simply don't like her being around so much.

Best solution ask em to move out and be done with it.

Most gen y room share folk will feel the same way this guy does id bet.

[Mohsen]

if its really pissing you off just bludgeon them to death in their sleep.

[Birds]

You can't - It isn't nice.

That's not to say it isn't fair, cause it's entirely fair. It is your place.

But when they're paying rent, they aren't in an hotel room, when people pay rent they expect that they're living there, which means, well it is their home.

People gonna treat it that way, and, well, anyone who rents from you is also going to feel they have the right to do that.

The money you receive from renter is compensation for having to wait to use water etc, people getting in the way of the fridge, etc.

It is. Inside that room they can do whatever - it's what they are paying for. It's their home now. It's an important distinction to make.. it is their private area, and their rent covers being able to comfortably use and live in shared areas.

This also means they have the right and the expectation to be 100% comfortable that shared areas are also their home.... as much as Leigh does, not any less than that.

This isn't all true

They can't destroy property inside said bedroom or the rest of the living space

I'm guessing Leigh doesn't have any bond in place with this guy so if his girlfriend breaks anything and doesn't wanna own it Leigh has no recourse for this