Roil Results

[Ska]

Just got told that no Roil does not contain Chlorine in any shape or form, this is from not jetpilot but from another supplier I am freinds with, whom I trust.

He has been using it in his collection of Kombi vans for 3+ years and does not have a problem. He also works for an engineering workshop that prepares formula V motors and they use it in them too, again with no problems. Although he can sell them but chooses not to, he just became a seller so that he could buy it wholesale for himself, whereas jetpilot is selling them outwardly. He is the one who invited me to the Roil night at the Holden Performance Driving Centre last week as seen in this post: http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/sh...ead.php?t=45166 where they did some live demonstrations which I wont try to explain because most of you will just try to tell me how fake they were or some crap like that, no offence, just stating human nature.

But he also uses in in nearly everything that contains oil, his chainsaw, mower, even whipper snipper, he has gone mad with it and uses it for anything that needs lubricating, but I am prolly not going that far.

I have just done another oil change and am putting more in, I am a seller too now just like jetpilot, but wont try to compete with him just because I really could not be bothered trying to sell it, I just like the wholesale prices

When I did do the oil change I had several SAU members who had the exactly same reactions, telling me to piss in my motor, as that would probably do just a good job, which really put me off trying to tell them what it does, just let them live happily in their ignorance.

Still will be interesting to see if anyone can PROVE wether or not Roil contains this bad stuff in it, until then we really do not have any solid proof that Roil does contain or does not contain it. All we can do is wait for someone's motor to be pulled down and examined after long term use. That will be the only true fire way as we all know people who do not sell Roil or sell a competing product will say it does and people who sell Roil will say it doesnt.

Anyway sorry jetpilot wont be buying any more bottles from you BUT what I will do is every bottle I buy for myself I will donate $5 to SAU, as I did hear about it from here so just to be fair to SAU!

Anyway I also will be watching this thread as well.

Just out of curiousity after how many Km's should this HCl be having an effect on my motor and what are the symptoms, just so I can watch to see if I start to get them I'll get my mech to pull apart the motor and examine it and see if there any truths to this HCl thing, well that is if I can afford to, which I'll probably have to do by the sounds of it, if it does that much damage!

But I think to my mate who has been running it his kombi's for 3 years, and in 3 years time I hope to have something different than an RB in my R33 so if it lasts till then I'll be happy.

Also PM krawler if you want his bodily fluids to put into your motor, apparently if you put his piss into your motor you will get a gain of 20rwkw, and he told me this so it must be true, I dont know how much he is selling his piss for though, so because it is in such great demand, and he probably does not produce much he'll probably be charging a fortune! For now I'll stick with Roil.

[JimX]

I emailed Roil and asked them if they have chlorinated parafins in their product. It doesn't say that it doesn't contain it in their FAQ, so if it really doesn't they should put that in there. I'll let you know if/when they reply.

[gslrallysport]

Who did you email?

[gslrallysport]

You sure you havn't just come across a jealous skeptic, seriously, roil contains does not contain parafin...

[gslrallysport]

As promised... the donation of $50 to SAU from the initial Roil sales has just gone through... thanks...

[JimX]

You sure you havn't just come across a jealous skeptic, seriously, roil contains does not contain parafin...  

Jealous of what?

I emailed the email address given here, where I read the faq: http://freespace.virgin.net/car.oil/contac...act_details.htm

[JimX]

Ok I found this, which says that Roil doesn't contain paraffins. http://www.randyjustus.com/roil.htm But it doesn't say that it doesn't contain chlrorine.

If it doesn't contain them then I have to go back to my original theory that it contains calcium carbonate, because by the description it seems to do the exact same things as Oil Extreme. But why not just say what it contains?

[gslrallysport]

Maybe it doesn't..... i don't think any of us are chemists, but magnatec also has a similar description, but it ain't no roil or oil extreme.... and certainly doesn't deliver on similar promises....

You didn't email roil, but simply an independant distributor that think they know, if you wanted an answer from those that make it, you'd need to try and track down someone in neways american....

[gslrallysport]

Ok I found this, which says that Roil doesn't contain paraffins. http://www.randyjustus.com/roil.htm But it doesn't say that it doesn't contain chlrorine.

If it doesn't contain them then I have to go back to my original theory that it contains calcium carbonate, because by the description it seems to do the exact same things as Oil Extreme. But why not just say what it contains?

That's actually a pretty good site, never seen it before....

[JimX]

You didn't email roil, but simply an independant distributor that think they know, if you wanted an answer from those that make it, you'd need to try and track down someone in neways american....

The main concern isn't that it might or might not contain chlorinated paraffins, but what other potentially harmful products it might contain. We shouldn't have to go through them one by one, asking if Roil contains one of them. They should just tell us what is in it so we can do some independant research about its potential harm to our engines.

The site I linked to above is no more or less an authority on anything else quoted in here (by myself or other people) so I guess we're back to square one as to whether or not it contains anything potentially harmful.

I will ask my mechanic why he thinks Roil contains chlorinated paraffins when I go visit him tomorrow.

[Ska]

Very true, and I dont think they will happily give out their recipie, so it all comes back to pulling down a motor after long term use, then you will have soild proof or lack of proof to support that Roil contains/does not contain harmfull chemicals.

Personally I am not going to be telling my mechanic, and hopefully other SAU members who know I use it and got to the same mechanic wont blert it out, but I think if I told him he would have the same kneejerk reaction that most people do, and just could not be bothered trying to explain it to him, as being a mechanic he'll use his expert knowledge and experiance to refute the claims made. Well I am just guessing that will be his reaction, but then again I really dont know him that well so he could possibly have the opposite reaction, but meh, I just couldnt be bothered trying to do the whole explanation, sounds too much like a sales pitch when I do try to explain it to people, and I hate trying to sell stuff to other people!

[lwells]

Providing a list of ingredients doesn't give you the proportions, so its not like you could just read the label, go home, and knock up your own batch. It also makes no difference in terms of your competitors, as they can just send it off to a chemical lab to have it processed and get the exact proportions and contents.

In other words, there is no reason why it shouldn't be listed or at least made available somewhere in the company's materials on the product.

LW.

[Bass Junky]

lwells

Did you know that Coke has a secret ingrediant that only 3 people in the world know what it is? It's mixed in different places and processed by several different companies who have no connection with each other.

Coke even has special clearance from Food authorities to not display it on their ingrediant labels.

One country tried to make them display it and they simply pulled out and didn't sell in that country.....

Segret ingredients are secret for a reason.

[JimX]

I didn't know that about Coca Cola. But I heard this one.

[Bass Junky]

Those three guys never fly in the same plane either.

Kinda like the Royal family.

[Bass Junky]

Damn, I got stooged.

But it may have been the KFC guys I'm thinking of.

Anyway, secrets are secrets.

I'm sure anyboyd who has succesfully aquired a patent knows how good a well kept secret can be.

[FATGTS-R]

shouldnt we be able to obtain a MSDS ( materials safety data sheet ) from people that sell this product?

I know it wont tell us the ingredients to the full extent but it will an idea of any harmful chemicals in it.

[FATGTS-R]

where I work we manufacture plastisol, which is printing ink for garments, the type that sits on top of the garment that peels off eventually.

And we dont give out whats inside it either. We only let on what the law requires us to. Which is pretty much what could be possibly harmful.

I had to sign a huge declaration full of legal mumbo jumbo that I would not disclose what I know about this product now or in the future or basically they will sue my ass off.

Companies dont tell people whats inside for a reason, they wont want every joe blow to go and start copying there product when they have spent thousands, even millions doing all the r and d to get it right.

[lwells]

Anyway, secrets are secrets.

I'm sure anyboyd who has succesfully aquired a patent knows how good a well kept secret can be.

Rubbish. So what if Coca-Cola doesn't have the ingredient list on their product? That doesn't stop a competitor from taking to a lab and working out what's in it. In Coke's case, its more about "mystique" (the 'secret herbs & spices') than protecting their product.

Moreover, the point of a patent is to make the knowledge available, not to hide it. In return for protection of a product, the government (or holding authority) is given the complete details of an invention. Check your patent law history.

Edit: Speaking of the mythical '11 herbs and spices' of KFC, some consumer organisation actually had a priece of KFC chicken anaylised in a lab and found (from memory) that it had 4 fats and 3 spices. KFC doesn't advertise 11 herbs and spices anymore...

LW.

[Bass Junky]

lw.

Is the general public allowed access to this patent?