Track/street R33 Or R32?

[ttoks]

Hello all, i'm just about to take the plunge into skyline ownership i'm currently looking at a very clean 95' R33 GRT V spec, and am after a bit of info.

R33 GT-R V-spec

what i want from the car is a street-able track car, basically i wish to do a few tarmac hillclimb events and some track days, but also be able to drive the car on the street, all for fun, not trying for anything serious, any mods i do, i wouldnt be looking for anymore then 260 AWKW, and focus more on handling.

the R33 i'm looking at has no handling mods done, stock suspension installed with a set of R34 rims, but comes with tiel coilovers, current owner has no dyno sheets, and the car looks in very very good shape inside and out, but it has 113k on the clock, which does bother me a bit and hence why i'm asking about the rebuild cost's.

performance mods for this car are as follow's

• Greddy front mount intercooler
• hard pipe kit
• R34 N1 steel wheel turbo's
• 3inch cat back exhaust
• Tiel coilover (not installed)

what mods might the R33 need to make it a fun, but reliable track car

asking price for this car is 20.5k, but could possibly get it for around 18.5-19

R32 GT-R

i'm also looking at an R32 GTR that has been set up by a previous owner as a track car, including a bolt in 4 point roll cage, chassis has 140k on it, but full engine rebuild including pistons/rings, oil pump, timing belt ect, big end and main bearings, with all genuine nissan internal parts has 20k on it, this car includes

• Excedy heavy duty clutch
• siemen's 700cc injector's
• roll cage (removable)
• Apex power FC
• HKS turbo's (can't remember exactly which ones, but i would guess GT-SS's?)
• 3 inch cat back exhaust
• adjustable cam gears
• bosch 040 or 044 fuel pump
• koni coilovers
• R34 18 inch rims

this car has been dyno'd at 301 rwkw

all performance mods has 20k on them, asking price for this car is 18l, but could possibly talk it down to around the 16-17 mark.

i LOVE the shape of the R33's which is why the R33 is even there as i get the idea that the R32 will be a much better buy for what i'd like to use it for, but whats the opinions?

cheer's all, oh and first post

Edited October 13, 2011 by ttoks

[defari]

id go the 33gtr - its a bit newer - has less mods done..

for both cars its common sense, but get a mechanic to have a look at it / both cars if you have the time and money.. drive both the cars and see how they feel..

what is the 32gtr selling for?

ps. its TEIN .. not TIEL

Edited October 13, 2011 by defari

[Moodles2]

Depends who built the 32's motor, I personally would take an unopened Nissan RB over a engine a random engine builder has put together, unless than builder has successfully put together many RBs

[ttoks]

okay so how about a 1995 modle GRT V-spec, completly stock except a subtle body kit and turbo back exhaust with high flow cat, 55'000 KM's, asking price 20.500

or a lightly modded 95' GTR with 72'000 km's, askinf price 21'800

i'm guessing fore reliability the stock car would be better, but as i am trying to build my car on a budget, i'd like to get something that already has a few mods done, but will the tradeoff be worth it?

EDIT: also the R32 GTR has an asking price of 17'900, but after talking to the guy i feel i can get it down to around 16.5k mark.

i'm thinking value for money, the R32 would be the best value for money simply because it has the auxillery upgrades already installed, even if i factor in a full engine rebuild from a reputable builder with OEM parts (say around5k at a guess? or 8k for forged parts?) it will still come out cheaper then if i were to buy a low km R33 and buy the auxilleries with it, IE the turbos, power fc, injectors, fuel pump, roll cage for track days, HD clutch ect ect?

Edited October 13, 2011 by ttoks

[R.3.2.G.T.R]

dont worry to much about the km factor, have a good look at the car and under to ascertain its been looked after well, my vote would be r33 in this instance..

like its stated, its newer and while its not making as much power currently, it does have n1 wheels so can easily crack 300kw if needed

[GTR_JOEY]

if theres anything ive learnt about GTR's, your better off spending a bit more when u buy the car instead of saving a couple of grand and gettin the cheaper one.

in the long run it will cost u a shit load more if u get the cheaper one

i know its your first one and you probably just wanna buy one so u can get in the cockpit and go, but take ur time and find one ur 100% sure u have one u wanna buy.

u can get a stock box redone for around 1300 bucks,.. thats new syncros bearings and labour

a reubuilt enigne.... you dont really wanna go there, especially if your on a budget

Edited October 13, 2011 by GTR_JOEY

[defari]

more mods done = more shit that can go wrong.. on the other hand - more mods done at a reputable mechanic / tuner can be good and may save you money seeing as though you're going to do similar upgrades..

[paulr33]

no way in hell you would want to pay 17k for a BNR32 and 20k for BCNR33

i reckon you could get the BCNR33 for 17k and the BNR32 if you can get the BCNR33 for 17k then that should be surely worth sub 15k, even less, its over 20 years old!!!

ive seen stock BCNR33s go for 17k in melbourne

but, the big but is..........

if you plan to mod the car, but a modified one already

you will come out way in front buying a BCNR33 with all the mods vs buying a stock BCNR33 and the doing the mods yourself

[ttoks]

no way in hell you would want to pay 17k for a BNR32 and 20k for BCNR33

i reckon you could get the BCNR33 for 17k and the BNR32 if you can get the BCNR33 for 17k then that should be surely worth sub 15k, even less, its over 20 years old!!!

ive seen stock BCNR33s go for 17k in melbourne

but, the big but is..........

if you plan to mod the car, but a modified one already

you will come out way in front buying a BCNR33 with all the mods vs buying a stock BCNR33 and the doing the mods yourself

well that's kinda my thoughts on this R32 i am looking at, say i can get the R32 for 16k, and i can talk the owner of the completely stock R33 down to 18k, how much am i going to spend getting my goal power and reliabilty from the R33? is it worth the risk going the R32 seeing as i have the potential to save quite a bit of money.

my overall budget limit is 25k for everything including mods, after around a reliable for track days 260 awkw as well of handling mods?

[ttoks]

no way in hell you would want to pay 17k for a BNR32 and 20k for BCNR33

i reckon you could get the BCNR33 for 17k and the BNR32 if you can get the BCNR33 for 17k then that should be surely worth sub 15k, even less, its over 20 years old!!!

ive seen stock BCNR33s go for 17k in melbourne

but, the big but is..........

if you plan to mod the car, but a modified one already

you will come out way in front buying a BCNR33 with all the mods vs buying a stock BCNR33 and the doing the mods yourself

well that's kinda my thoughts on this R32 i am looking at, say i can get the R32 for 16k, and i can talk the owner of the completely stock R33 down to 18k, how much am i going to spend getting my goal power and reliabilty from the R33? is it worth the risk going the R32 seeing as i have the potential to save quite a bit of money.

my overall budget limit is 25k for everything including mods, after around a reliable for track days 260 awkw as well of handling mods?

[defari]

why do u need 260awkw?

#lol go watch initial D

[GTR_JOEY]

for 25k better off buyin a car thats got all the work done, just make sure its done by a reputable tuner

youll save in the long run

thats what id be doin anyway

[R31Nismoid]

25k including purchase price – isn’t even going to get you out of the driveway if you intend to go circuit racing.

IMO is that is your budget, you should be buying a R33 GTS-T and setting that up for track work… Why you might ask?

Turbo swap inclusive will be around $3500 if you are lucky. If you go the HKS items (identical to Garrett) you’ll be paying $4000+ total.

Then the usual supporting mods:

ECU $1000

Tune $600

Exhaust $600

Clutch $1100

Oil Cooler kit $600-$1000

Labour $800-$1200

Full service upon purchase $500 (that’s all oils motor/diff, plugs, new filter perhaps)

So far you’ve already minced $9000 if you are lucky, and you’ve not even drive the car yet.

Then the other stuff you’ll probably need

Coil Packs $600

Suspension $1200

Brakes $1000

Tyres $1200

Labour $1000

So maybe $5000 there, bringing you to around $14000. Add on another $3000 because shit never works out to plan when modifying cars

Leaves you $8,000 for a purchase price.

No idea how 113,000kms bothers you mate. That’s what, 7000kms a year – total b/s that is in most cases.

So as I said earlier, buy a GTS-t and set that up for Track and do a LOT more reading of the forums.

You aren’t going to get far with 25k and a GTR. Even buying a worked R32 GTR – Just the maintenance costs alone if you do half a dozen track days + street driving - you will blow your budget.

[ttoks]

25k including purchase price – isn't even going to get you out of the driveway if you intend to go circuit racing.

IMO is that is your budget, you should be buying a R33 GTS-T and setting that up for track work… Why you might ask?

Turbo swap inclusive will be around $3500 if you are lucky. If you go the HKS items (identical to Garrett) you'll be paying $4000+ total.

Then the usual supporting mods:

ECU $1000

Tune $600

Exhaust $600

Clutch $1100

Oil Cooler kit $600-$1000

Labour $800-$1200

Full service upon purchase $500 (that's all oils motor/diff, plugs, new filter perhaps)

So far you've already minced $9000 if you are lucky, and you've not even drive the car yet.

Then the other stuff you'll probably need

Coil Packs $600

Suspension $1200

Brakes $1000

Tyres $1200

Labour $1000

So maybe $5000 there, bringing you to around $14000. Add on another $3000 because shit never works out to plan when modifying cars

Leaves you $8,000 for a purchase price.

No idea how 113,000kms bothers you mate. That's what, 7000kms a year – total b/s that is in most cases.

So as I said earlier, buy a GTS-t and set that up for Track and do a LOT more reading of the forums.

You aren't going to get far with 25k and a GTR. Even buying a worked R32 GTR – Just the maintenance costs alone if you do half a dozen track days + street driving - you will blow your budget.

now this is more the sorta stuff i'm looking for

i supose i should clarify, 25k is my short term (ie first 6 months of ownership) budget, i work a reasonably high paying job, so down the track i am going to have more money to throw at the car, due to short term work commitments i wont be doing any track days for atound 4-5 motnhs giving me plenty of time to upgrade what needs to be upgraded, and in the mean time i'll spend the time getting aquinted with the car on the street

although right now i am seriously leaning towards the completely stock low KM R33 V-spec, it's close, i've just spoken with the owner again i can drive it home tomorrow for 19k, with rwc, new tires, full service history, and then i've got a known base to start from, even if it does end up costing more in the long run, i have no intention of selling this car (unless something drastic happens)

owning a GTR is my childhood dream car, not a GTS-T, so i'm fairly set on a GTR but as you say alot more reading for me i think

[R31Nismoid]

If you are dead set, save the 25k.

Buy a modded 33r for round 30k in a few months. There is always 3-4 at any given time from a good stable. All basically track ready.

You'll easily save yourself 10k+. And all the time and bullshit that goes with it.

It's exactly what I did for my current car rather than building another from scratch.

[dkbcleaner]

100% Agree with Nismoid ^ Next time around Ill be spending more to buy one thats had all the work done.

[SargeRX8]

Lol low km on 16 year old cars. My 33 has 86xxxkm on it. How much of that you believe its up to you. Buy a car based on condition not the odo n shit. its not too hard to get a stock gtr to 260awkw... I like my cars with the bare minimal mods, exhaust, suspension, cooler.

That 32 might sound tempting but its a half track car, how much abuse has it seen and how sound is the motor? my car was stock as a rock. 5k later I'm around 280rwkw and I know the car inside out.

[tricstar]

Again 100% behind Nismoid,

I was the same as you, bought a basically stock R33 GTR thinking I didn't want one to molested, then not long after looked at doing mods $$$$$$$ holy s**t your blast through the cash real quick..

So got rid of of stock one and for about $6K more bought one with 2.8L and everything, about $50K worth of mods, you never get that money back..

As said if its built, just make sure it was done by a reputable workshop, and get it checked.

Look in the for-sale section here, there are always bargains and you can usually find a bit of history on them, lastly do a lot of tyre kicking and look at heaps