Impact Of Petrol Prices

[jiffo]

These guys.

[xALmoN]

i assume, they're different from the yabbies in vic?

they have a sort of longer claws compared to the stuff we get in and around melbourne.

are you growing them out in mud dams? I considered a small home setup for the yabbies, out of drums, but the plans have all gone into my shelf of procrastination.

[mad082]

i'm sure jiffo will correct me if i'm wrong, but i think they are red claw yabbies.

[Little]

Heya.. Just wanted to contribute.

Also noticing that LPG has jumped astronomically as well. I think a couple of years back there was a tax break on it and now its been repealled?

Basically what this means is there isn't really an alternative other than to be a bastard planet killing petrol head .. Diesel gas petrol all on the upclimb forever; and there is no other option yet.

Unless you have a hybrid; which still uses petrol and charges up from coal power.

I have always thought; the solution to a lot of these things is technology. Thats what has happened throughout history; people typically

don't change their ways; hold hands and save the environment.. It comes down to a new piece

of tech dreamed up by some genius greengrocer in his work shop in his spare time; that makes things commercially available cheap.

unfortunately; a lot of the older guys I've asked about them say that there were and are a lot of ideas; and even prototypes

developed of alternative combustion engines; but what happens is an oil company gets involved and things go quiet.

I can't think of any examples though; can someone help me out?

[xALmoN]

i just pasted a link on bio crude oil.

[GTR-N1]

Heya.. Just wanted to contribute.

Also noticing that LPG has jumped astronomically as well. I think a couple of years back there was a tax break on it and now its been repealled?

Basically what this means is there isn't really an alternative other than to be a bastard planet killing petrol head .. Diesel gas petrol all on the upclimb forever; and there is no other option yet.

Unless you have a hybrid; which still uses petrol and charges up from coal power.

I have always thought; the solution to a lot of these things is technology. Thats what has happened throughout history; people typically

don't change their ways; hold hands and save the environment.. It comes down to a new piece

of tech dreamed up by some genius greengrocer in his work shop in his spare time; that makes things commercially available cheap.

unfortunately; a lot of the older guys I've asked about them say that there were and are a lot of ideas; and even prototypes

developed of alternative combustion engines; but what happens is an oil company gets involved and things go quiet.

I can't think of any examples though; can someone help me out?

Are you referring to the Sarich engine? Twas invented in the 80s by an Aussie Ralph Sarich I think > taken over by a USA oil Co?

A major gas field in WA in Red Gully also under wraps by an oil Co?

Hydrogen engines the same in USA?

Btw approximately what was the ratio of cost of LPG to Standard ULP 10 years ago Vs 5 years ago Vs 2012?

[jiffo]

Yes Marc is correct.

The ponds are expensive to construct and your country has to have the suitable clays or they're going to leak. (I bought my own excavator)

There's supply and drainage dams to build, you need lots of water and of course the pumping gear.

Ponds need a drainage system and an aeration system.

Predator fencing is mandatory, not to keep predators out but to keep the crays in, DPI doesn't want crays getting in their waterways. Surprise dummies, they've been there long before cray farming kicked off, check our Somerset dam.

The crays need habitat to live happily in or they'll pack up and go walkabout.

Bird netting is super expensive and without it, herons etc will clean you out in nothing flat.

It's VERY hard and dirty work as you drain/harvest in the early am, lots of smelly mud. Then sorting, purging and finally packing, transport to the fish market.

For me the extra power costs, fuel for pumping and the Bligh blood suckers with hugely increased licencing and associated fees just got too much.

That's why there's only about 5-crayfarmers in my region these days, and yes every farm is for sale.

[zebra]

Heya.. Just wanted to contribute.

Also noticing that LPG has jumped astronomically as well. I think a couple of years back there was a tax break on it and now its been repealled?

Basically what this means is there isn't really an alternative other than to be a bastard planet killing petrol head .. Diesel gas petrol all on the upclimb forever; and there is no other option yet.

Unless you have a hybrid; which still uses petrol and charges up from coal power.

I have always thought; the solution to a lot of these things is technology. Thats what has happened throughout history; people typically

don't change their ways; hold hands and save the environment.. It comes down to a new piece

of tech dreamed up by some genius greengrocer in his work shop in his spare time; that makes things commercially available cheap.

unfortunately; a lot of the older guys I've asked about them say that there were and are a lot of ideas; and even prototypes

developed of alternative combustion engines; but what happens is an oil company gets involved and things go quiet.

I can't think of any examples though; can someone help me out?

I love these conspiracies

Do people really think that all these oil companies buy these things and don't work on them...

Pretty Nieve to think that oil companies will just let themselves go broke when the Crude oil runs out.

They would be working like crazy in the background on stuff to keep making them squillions when the oil runs out

[Borci88]

Should farmers get a fuel subsidy?

As far as I know they do. We stayed at a best mates grandfathers farm a couple of months ago and he has a fuel tank buried underneath the ground at the front of the property also, I imagine tankers drop past and fill it up every now and again.

[xALmoN]

Yes Marc is correct.

The ponds are expensive to construct and your country has to have the suitable clays or they're going to leak. (I bought my own excavator)

There's supply and drainage dams to build, you need lots of water and of course the pumping gear.

Ponds need a drainage system and an aeration system.

Predator fencing is mandatory, not to keep predators out but to keep the crays in, DPI doesn't want crays getting in their waterways. Surprise dummies, they've been there long before cray farming kicked off, check our Somerset dam.

The crays need habitat to live happily in or they'll pack up and go walkabout.

Bird netting is super expensive and without it, herons etc will clean you out in nothing flat.

It's VERY hard and dirty work as you drain/harvest in the early am, lots of smelly mud. Then sorting, purging and finally packing, transport to the fish market.

For me the extra power costs, fuel for pumping and the Bligh blood suckers with hugely increased licencing and associated fees just got too much.

That's why there's only about 5-crayfarmers in my region these days, and yes every farm is for sale.

So this is still an extensive system where by they're just left to grow and breed by themselves?

do you feed them?

[GTR-N1]

When I need body disposal....

no clues for Miss Marple

[xALmoN]

When I need body disposal....

no clues for Miss Marple

grind and burn is the only way.

burying leaves chance for discovery in future. you could be long gone by then, or still around.

[jiffo]

They eat everything, nothing left.

Tossed a dead chook in and there was nothing, no feathers nothing in a couple of weeks.

Left untended the stocking ratio goes way low and inbreeding means there's no real husbandry taking place, weeding out the weak ones and so on.

The average consumer wouldn't notice but if you're fair dinkum about it you must have extremely high stocking ratios and sexed ponds.

Males are what restaurants want, nice big red claws, look pretty but a female is streets ahead as far as usable meat V's weight goes.

So you have to sort your juveniles and grow them out in separate ponds which also eliminates inbreeding.

Now North Qld breeders are poised to sell juveniles, guaranteed no viruses or genetic defects.

All wild stock has faults, but through a selective breeding programme and some space age incubation they can now breed a super cray.

So the old cray farmer becomes a grow out farmer, same as the prawn farmers but with about 10% of the work.

But wait there's more.

A product called chitin is used industrially and recently in research medicine.

Chitin is produced from the shell and skeleton of marine animals, mollusks etc.

That source has now been polluted to the extent that science is looking elsewhere and that's where the skeleton/skeleton on the super cray comes in, no pollution.

But can we wait until the science arrives and will the Asian farmers beat us to it. Aquaculture in Asia is simply massive but they don't have the quality control, YET.

And you have to peel the buggers which is soooo tedious.

Don't know what this has to do with petrol prices anymore, got a bit sidetracked ????

[starwarz]

i disregard the estimateas on how long oil will last. scientist always serving some up to no good agenda. when the oil companies stary reporting they cant produce then start panicig

[Cowboy1600]

I love these conspiracies

Do people really think that all these oil companies buy these things and don't work on them...

Pretty Nieve to think that oil companies will just let themselves go broke when the Crude oil runs out.

They would be working like crazy in the background on stuff to keep making them squillions when the oil runs out

I agree. I love the "some guy made a motor which ran on rainbows and unicorn dreams but some nasty oil company bought it and then destroyed all the plans and hid the remains in a vault buried in the center of the earth."

It's crap. There are no significant engine developments which aren't well int he public domain. We're seeing companies starting to lay the foundations for post-oil. Some are going hydrogen (Honda) some electric (GM) some Hybrid (Toyota).

[xALmoN]

They eat everything, nothing left.

Tossed a dead chook in and there was nothing, no feathers nothing in a couple of weeks.

Left untended the stocking ratio goes way low and inbreeding means there's no real husbandry taking place, weeding out the weak ones and so on.

The average consumer wouldn't notice but if you're fair dinkum about it you must have extremely high stocking ratios and sexed ponds.

Males are what restaurants want, nice big red claws, look pretty but a female is streets ahead as far as usable meat V's weight goes.

So you have to sort your juveniles and grow them out in separate ponds which also eliminates inbreeding.

Now North Qld breeders are poised to sell juveniles, guaranteed no viruses or genetic defects.

All wild stock has faults, but through a selective breeding programme and some space age incubation they can now breed a super cray.

So the old cray farmer becomes a grow out farmer, same as the prawn farmers but with about 10% of the work.

But wait there's more.

A product called chitin is used industrially and recently in research medicine.

Chitin is produced from the shell and skeleton of marine animals, mollusks etc.

That source has now been polluted to the extent that science is looking elsewhere and that's where the skeleton/skeleton on the super cray comes in, no pollution.

But can we wait until the science arrives and will the Asian farmers beat us to it. Aquaculture in Asia is simply massive but they don't have the quality control, YET.

And you have to peel the buggers which is soooo tedious.

Don't know what this has to do with petrol prices anymore, got a bit sidetracked ????

it doesn't matter, its an intelligent discourse. And this is impact about petrol prices, so as your business is being impacted, its still all relevant.

how big do these red claws get to? So as far as i understand, you're getting seed stock from a supplier and just growing them out? Are you doing mono sex culture? There's a quicker growth rate as far as i know.

I was just doing a bit of pondering, but how often do they fight? In sexed ponds? would concrete tanks with bundled pvc pipes as hiding spots be good for a high density stocking? Would also be cleaner and require less purging. You would also be able to control water parameters better. Although this requires a higher capital cost. Would it reduce processing labour?

I like doing these things at a hobbyist level.

i disregard the estimateas on how long oil will last. scientist always serving some up to no good agenda. when the oil companies stary reporting they cant produce then start panicig

And your qualifications are???

Scientists always serving some up to no good agenda? Really?

So oil isn't really running out and its a conspiracy to charge people more for something unlimited?

I agree. I love the "some guy made a motor which ran on rainbows and unicorn dreams but some nasty oil company bought it and then destroyed all the plans and hid the remains in a vault buried in the center of the earth."

It's crap. There are no significant engine developments which aren't well int he public domain. We're seeing companies starting to lay the foundations for post-oil. Some are going hydrogen (Honda) some electric (GM) some Hybrid (Toyota).

rumours that do not stand up to scientific scrutiny, will always just be that, rumours.

first law of thermodynamics brah, if it doesn't obey that, it doesn't exist.

it is good that car companies are innovating though. although i do enjoy internal combustion engines a lot. And if gasoline runs out, then butanol, and if that runs out, the ethanol.

[IOWNU]

Best solution is to get a car that suits your lifestyle and budget.

If you want to allocoate a large part of your income towards a car, that's your perogative, but the best option is to live within your means.

Or just increase your means.

[Nee-san]

Best solution is to get a car that suits your lifestyle and budget.

If you want to allocoate a large part of your income towards a car, that's your perogative, but the best option is to live within your means.

Or just increase your means.

true that.

[adamskill]

jiffo, your lucky that yabbies dont run on petrol.

this thread would self destruct.

[jiffo]

Redclaw are cherax quadrinatus.

Yabbies are cherax destructor.

Redclaw don't dig, (unless they're really stressed) but Yabbies will dig holes ruining dams that's just what they do.