I Want More Power =[

[Fryday13]

Hey guys bought my first car not to long ago a 1995 R33 GTS4 which to be fair has a lot more power than my mums old corolla I used to drive, but after finishing off the sounds department of my car im starting to feel as though I want more from my engine. Ive got an RB25DE thats all stock and its at about 190,000k's. Ive considered getting a newer engine with lower k's but would this increase power or just life of the car? Is there a way I could slowly replace parts that would increase performance and increase its life? Any kind of information is helpful on a slight budget but willing to consider all

Cheers

[Hadouken]

I believe for a N/A car you need more than a slight budget.

Squeezing power out is a) expensive and b) you're not going to get alot from it. Money vs gain isn't great.

If you're dropping in another engine. Do you mean another rb25de?

If power is what you want then sell and get a gtst.

[Fryday13]

Haha ok slight budget is really irrellevant if Im honest. And as much as I know Turbo would give me more power easier id love to stick to N/A so checking out my options there. if it seems like id still be throwing money for no return then Ill look into turbo engine for my car or normal turbo skyline

[BrOwnY GT]

Haha ok slight budget is really irrellevant if Im honest. And as much as I know Turbo would give me more power easier id love to stick to N/A so checking out my options there. if it seems like id still be throwing money for no return then Ill look into turbo engine for my car or normal turbo skyline

190,000ks isnt really that much these engine can do quite allot of k's if looked after and regualry maintained, unless you're considering tracking the car i wouldnt bother paying for a new engine, though in regards to more power,

i would personally as stated above get a gtst etc More power less money trying to get big gains then doing internals etc on a NA

[Fryday13]

190,000ks isnt really that much these engine can do quite allot of k's if looked after and regualry maintained, unless you're considering tracking the car i wouldnt bother paying for a new engine, though in regards to more power,

I'll be honest it is relieving to hear this.

Right so so far general consensus is get turbo car. Are there reasons to why youve both gone for the "buy turbo car" not "buy turbo engine"? I'm relatively new to the in's and outs of this so I wasn't sure

[SKITTLES]

I'll be honest it is relieving to hear this.

Right so so far general consensus is get turbo car. Are there reasons to why youve both gone for the "buy turbo car" not "buy turbo engine"? I'm relatively new to the in's and outs of this so I wasn't sure

My R32 GTST had 225,000KM+ on the clock, solid as a mofo, bog stock @ 154rwkw on 12psi. Thing was an amazing car (for a p-plater).

My R33 GTS is a bloody slug. The best thing you can do with your N/As is to make them perform better, not get more power. Performing better isn't modifying anything to get more power out of it, it's maintaining what you already have to allow the engine to run better.

1. Change your spark plugs, make sure to gap the new ones to 0.8mm

2. Get new coils if you have to

3. Go for a drive in a dry day, drive until warm, drive home. Pop your head under the bonnet, under the car, etc. look for moisture patches. If you can take photos, do it and post it up.

4. Give the car a good, full service. Put an oil flush through and run two lots of oil through it. Take out the radiator and wash it out with a hose. Change the P/S fluid, bleed the brakes, put a K&N panel in (pod filters are horrible.. just don't do it), make sure you haven't got any cracked hoses or anything.

5. Go over your entire car and clean it out. Make a list of broken interior / exterior items, or even just things you want to change, save up money and change them.

6. You may need a new exhaust, make sure you get the catback + a new, hiflow cat.

7. Check your clutch + rear diff. Change if neccersary.

That's the best checklist to getting your N/A going better.

N/A's aren't for power... They're more for handling if anything.

Are you on your P-Plates? If you are, invest some money ina 5stud conversion, coil-overs, sway bars, strut braces, get a cool bit of camber going.

I'll let you know what this new mechanic says today, too.. we're going for a "test drive" to "see what's happening with my diff" and he should report back with some engine problems as well... if he's any good.

[Fryday13]

Awesome thanks man solid list to start through =] but just clarification then, N\A's are more just to keep goin and handle well then? whereas turbo is for the fast thrill?

Got my Full Licence, currently an ex Aussie in New Zealand but theres no more further licensing for me.

That would be good to hear of if he reports back id love to hear it, my dif has played up before and its stopped me giving it some round corners at the moment.

[Hadouken]

The reason I think why buying a turbod car from a start instead of dropping in a rb25det for example is because you will have saved a nice bundle of cash if you just start with a turbod car.

[Fryday13]

Fair enough. As a mini side question then. In Australia where do you buy your cars? do you go through dealers or importers or through auction sites? I got mine of trademe (essentially an auction site in NZ). Ive heard stories importers were cheap, but never found a site with solid facts

[SKITTLES]

No worries mate

There's no real "n/a is for this, +t is for that", it's just that Nissan created the N/A as the base model you bought for cheap, and the +t as a semi sports model. Because they share the same suspension setup, handling is almost identical.

Because the N/A hasn't got much power, it's lacking heaps in the performance department, but makes up for it a bit in the handling department. You'll have way more fun in a turbo, but you can get your kicks in an N/A with corners and things.

I've got my N/A atm... I'll be swapping the engine out with an RB25DET and tuning it for 290rwkw. New gearbox as well. I was going to go crazy with her, but I've gotten to the point where I'd prefer a car that performs well, instead of a car that puts out heaps of power.

[Hadouken]

People buy their cars from all over the place. I suppose it depends on te criteria you're lookin at and if you can afford importing a car and getting it complied.

Also majorly depends where the best deal is to be had.

I bought mine from a importer. But did not import personally.

Look for a deal

[SKITTLES]

Importers aren't too cheap. Better to buy domestic from a private seller around Aus. I got mine through a shonky dealer which was okay because he got it from police auctions or some shit i reckon..

Have had to fix a lot with my car.

Edit: sorry, I should say "importers aren't always the cheapest".

Edited October 17, 2011 by SKITTLES

[BrOwnY GT]

Importers aren't too cheap. Better to buy domestic from a private seller around Aus. I got mine through a shonky dealer which was okay because he got it from police auctions or some shit i reckon..

Have had to fix a lot with my car.

Edit: sorry, I should say "importers aren't always the cheapest".

Yea i agree with the above i found majority of cases cheaper to buy privately specially if you know what to look for, i got my 4door gtst stock as a rock from a old couple for 6k , also as above its cheaper to buy a gtst

even a nicely modified one then to replace the engine for a det specially if you get a mechanic to do it for you, people do it dont get me wrong just all about how much coin you really wanna spend and how much hassel you can deal with.

Edited October 17, 2011 by BrOwnY GT

[Fryday13]

Ahh so its sort of budget and what you prefer as to what you get?

ha well I believe I have some thinking to do as to which road I take, have always loved the practicality of the 4 door, but that may have to go

PS what kind of PSI do the stock RB25DET's run at?

And is it more expensive to run and maintain a turbo?

Just trying to make the right decision

[SKITTLES]

My RB20DET ran 7psi stock, but it was pushed to 12... any higher and shit would break.

It's more expensive if you mistreat her. Take care of your car, and you won't be spending heaps on maintenance.

Here's something to make your thoughts even harder: 4 door GTR... go fourth and ponder.

[BrOwnY GT]

Ahh so its sort of budget and what you prefer as to what you get?

ha well I believe I have some thinking to do as to which road I take, have always loved the practicality of the 4 door, but that may have to go

PS what kind of PSI do the stock RB25DET's run at?

And is it more expensive to run and maintain a turbo?

Just trying to make the right decision

Yea excactly ive always been partial to 4 doors There are heaps of r33 4door gtst kicking around for sale though they are usually little cheaper as allot of people prefer the coupes

7psi from factory if i remember dont quote me on that lol.

And to answer you're other question well its just another thing to go wrong i guess lol worst could happen is you're turbo gives out but stock replacements are easy to find and the stock ones do last awhile they can handle upto around 12psi if remember safely.

I havent found it more expensive so far compared to my old r33 na i had previously i mean i guess ive spent more on mods because theres more options etc but not in terms of maintence just do regular oil changes with good grade oil and dont go nuts on upping the boost

Treat you're car like you would treat a good women and she'll look after you

I

Edited October 17, 2011 by BrOwnY GT

[Fryday13]

Is that a normal stock turbo PSI or do they change significantly depending on model make and manufacturer? Ha I like to test my car out so to say but always make sure its well looked after.

It was a brief ponder before i heard a yelp from my wallet, still soemthing to look into though I do suppose

[Fryday13]

Yea excactly ive always been partial to 4 doors There are heaps of r33 4door gtst kicking around for sale though they are usually little cheaper as allot of people prefer the coupes

7psi from factory if i remember dont quote me on that lol.

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And to answer you're other question well its just another thing to go wrong i guess lol worst could happen is you're turbo gives out but stock replacements are easy to find and the stock ones do last awhile they can handle upto around 14psi if remember safely.

I havent found it more expensive so far compared to my old r33 na i had previously i mean i guess ive spent more on mods because theres more options etc but not in terms of maintence just do regular oil changes with good grade oil and dont go nuts on upping the boost

Treat you're car like you would treat a good women and she'll look after you

You sir have a fine way with words. Well that would be a better option to look for i reckon Yer I get the idea of a coupe but i like to cart people and my bike around

Oh thats allright I cant imagine Id be trying to push a max PSI out of it, Id keep it close to how it was made =] But with the oil this leads to another question, what do you guys use? last time I did a change I believe it was 10-40 semi synthetic? is there a certain type I should be using?

[central coast person]

Its cheaper to get a car that was original with a turbo because its always been there and didnt cost anything extra in the first place and turbos are common now so i see them on car sales cheaper than NA's.

Its a GTS-4 so you will have to get a stagea RB25 or an RB26 if you want to fit it easily. The RWD engine fits but it needs a bit of work done to fit it. It will cost you a few thousand to do this, especialy with a RB26. You might be a few weeks without a car aswell if it matters.

Also, my engine gave way at 160,000km. It was using 5L of oil (40w-70) every 500km to keep it going. It's a GTS-4 and work at NISSAN and it took me 6 months to get all the parts and i was doing the fastest orders and stuff availible, a lot of engine stuff for the NA is not available anymore so i has to get 40thou genuine pistons and ACL bearings, new genuine crankshaft and heaps more bits and it was a headace to find the stuff. Cost me thousands and after the rebuild i got 20kW out of a newer fresher bigger engine, it was not worth it. I have always thought rb25's to be fragile as f**k, but i cant say that its a fault because they get thrashed. Just dont bother with a NA engine you get no where if you dont have LOTS of money to spend on it.

[SKITTLES]

From memory, fully synthetic > semi synthetic, and 10-40 sounds about right.

chat to the boys at SCA... the guys near me are all tafe-trained in some area of cars