What's Happening To The Car Scene?

[zebra]

you forgot the XA and XB GT hardtops

You also know, that the Group A skylines had bugger all in common with the road cars too right?

[malcolm]

you forgot the XA and XB GT hardtops

You also know, that the Group A skylines had bugger all in common with the road cars too right?

... yes you're right there were the 2 models of hard top XA & XB that preceded the XC COBRA ... & yes you've only got to spend a minute or two checking out Terry Ashwoods Windfield R32 Race Car to realize the reworking that is involved at level of motorsport ... as far as the V8 Supercars are concerned I doubt that a single piece of them could be found on a production model ... the performance engines are shipped in from Ford USA & Chevrolet USA racing devisions & just about everything else is purpose built the same for both cars ... i must admit they're awesome cars ... I've been lucky to enough to drive one of the actual comp cars (not one of the put out to pasture hot lappers) it was an amazing experience ... the whole car is like one highly engineered "roll cage / capsule" on wheels ... incredibly strong & as safe as you'd want it in a 160kph+ smash ... I just wish there was a production car race still ... if they can do it for the Porsches & utes ??? ... oh well one day again maybe ... ...

[zebra]

Both engines are built in aus. The hms engine is pretty much a copy of the ford etc etc

Yes they are great cars.

[malcolm]

Both engines are built in aus. The hms engine is pretty much a copy of the ford etc etc

Yes they are great cars.

Quote from Wikipedia :

"A V8 Supercar must have a front-engine design and rear-wheel drive. Every car uses either a 5.0 L Ford "Boss 302" SVO or a 5.0 L Chevrolet small block race-engine (depending on the make) - capable of producing between 460 and 485 kW (620 — 650 bhp) of power, but generally quoted as a little over 450 kW (600 bhp) in race trim. Engines have pushrod actuated valves and electronic fuel injection. Both Ford and Holden engines are based on racing engines from their respective US parent companies. Engines are electronically restricted to 7,500 rpm."

... no doubt built/assembled here but sourced from the USA & CANADA ... ..

[Ruxis]

That's my problem ATM. My logic tells me to sell the piece of metal in the driveway that will get me ahead in life with the cash and not spending money.

Then I see my phones wallpaper/go for drive and really can't imagine returning selling it cause I'm pretty happy with all my mods I've done

[zebra]

Holden haven't used the 305 chev for years now

The Holden teams had a cry when the ford guys started using canted valve Yates heads

So the hms (Holden motor sport) engines were born

Like I said pretty much the same as a d3 headed ford. About the only difference is the engine mount location and exhaust manifold flange pattern

[malcolm]

That's my problem ATM. My logic tells me to sell the piece of metal in the driveway that will get me ahead in life with the cash and not spending money.

Then I see my phones wallpaper/go for drive and really can't imagine returning selling it cause I'm pretty happy with all my mods I've done

... for most of us our cars are like a passionate hobby ... & it's important to have these things in life ... my car is like therapy for me ... I could sell it too & do something else with the money but I'd be a cranky miserable old f***er ... don't underestimate the healthy & positive side to having a passionate hobby ... anything that puts a genuine smile on your face is a good thing ... I suggest hanging onto it ... all money is the same & you can always earn & save more money ... but your car is as individual as you are ... logic tells me that a healthy activity that brings you happiness is as every bit important as cash in the bank ... & you sure can't take a "share portfolio" for a drive to the Blue Mountains with a hot chick for a picnic ... ...

[malcolm]

That's my problem ATM. My logic tells me to sell the piece of metal in the driveway that will get me ahead in life with the cash and not spending money.

Then I see my phones wallpaper/go for drive and really can't imagine returning selling it cause I'm pretty happy with all my mods I've done

... for most of us our cars are like a passionate hobby ... & it's important to have these things in life ... my car is like therapy for me ... I could sell it too & do something else with the money but I'd be a cranky miserable old f***er ... don't underestimate the healthy & positive side to having a passionate hobby ... anything that puts a genuine smile on your face is a good thing ... I suggest hanging onto it ... all money is the same & you can always earn & save more money ... but your car is as individual as you are ... logic tells me that a healthy activity that brings you happiness is as every bit important as cash in the bank ... & you sure can't take a "share portfolio" for a drive to the Blue Mountains with a hot chick for a picnic ... ...

[zebra]

... for most of us our cars are like a passionate hobby ... & it's important to have these things in life ... my car is like therapy for me ... I could sell it too & do something else with the money but I'd be a cranky miserable old f***er ... don't underestimate the healthy & positive side to having a passionate hobby ... anything that puts a genuine smile on your face is a good thing ... I suggest hanging onto it ... all money is the same & you can always earn & save more money ... but your car is as individual as you are ... logic tells me that a healthy activity that brings you happiness is as every bit important as cash in the bank ... & you sure can't take a "share portfolio" for a drive to the Blue Mountains with a hot chick for a picnic ... ...

that would depend on how big the share portfolio is lol

I do agree.

Hell I just went and bought a cheap car to play with because it is more fun, and not so scared about scratching it.

But dont ever turn into one of those people you see at car shows with a 50k paint job and a shiny engine bay, but their kids have no shoes and torn track pants that are too small

[malcolm]

that would depend on how big the share portfolio is lol

I do agree.

Hell I just went and bought a cheap car to play with because it is more fun, and not so scared about scratching it.

But dont ever turn into one of those people you see at car shows with a 50k paint job and a shiny engine bay, but their kids have no shoes and torn track pants that are too small

... damn !! & thought the no shoes & too small vinnies ripped track pants look was coming back in ?? ... ...

... my cars clean alright ... & I havnt spent big money on it for years ... I get around that by driving a 31 year old hilux ute i paid 1900 bucks for & don't have any kids ! ... ...

Edited December 1, 2011 by malcolm

[zebra]

It was big with Torana owners in the 90's...by all means if you want bring it back lol

[malcolm]

" QUOTE"

"We're in the stickiest situation since Sticky the stick insect got stuck on a sticky bun."

... he needs to talk to my mate "Silky" the silkworm who could easily help him out of that sticky situation ... for nothing goes as silky smooth as "Silky the Silkworm in his silk pyjamas" ... ...

Edited December 1, 2011 by malcolm

[zebra]

hahahha

[malcolm]

It was big with Torana owners in the 90's...by all means if you want bring it back lol

... if I had plenty of dosh id love an ORIGINAL Torana GTR XU1 or SLR500 just for the nostalgia ... my dad who is so not the the car man had a brand new early 70's LC Torana 2 door 2850cc straight six ... man that thing was a rocket !!! ... ...

[Galois]

Saw an XU1 Torana on Old Windsor road the other day, sounded fantastic!

i'm so over soarers though, its an electrical nightmare.

i'll be going an evo vi after i sell off the soarer. the GTT does feel slow in stock trim though. =(

xalman, you're over the soarer already?!

[Yo-Yo]

That's my problem ATM. My logic tells me to sell the piece of metal in the driveway that will get me ahead in life with the cash and not spending money.

Then I see my phones wallpaper/go for drive and really can't imagine returning selling it cause I'm pretty happy with all my mods I've done

I kicked logic in the pants years ago

seriously though there's no reason why you can't have both your hobbies & saving for the future if you budget right & live within your means. You only live once so enjoy yourself today but think of tomorrow I say

[DJBarnstar]

Buy your GT-R, have your fun now. We will all be fighting the Chinese in 10 years.

Yes, Yes we will.

The war is coming.

Very insightful. Now where is my BB 34 GTR... Oh that's right I bought houses. Where is the head slapping emoticon??

[DJBarnstar]

... i totally agree with you ...

... especially the bit about the Commodore & Godzilla ... comparing 6.0Lt RWD Auto V8's to 2.6Lt Attessa equipped twin turbo S6's is silly ... yes theyre both cars with 4 wheels a roof a boot & a bonnet but thats about where the similarities end ... i dont hate Holdens my first car was a Holden ... its just that for me they just dont have the qualities that i look for in a "driving experience" ... also call me old fashioned but the one thing that SS Commodores & FTV Falcons have that i would never accept in a million years in my "driving experience" is a "sporty" car with 4 doors ... correct me if im wrong but i cant think of anywhere else in the world that would badge an SS (super sport) or GT (grand touring / gran turismo) vehicle that has 4 doors ?! ... 2 door coupes naturally evolved for the sporting motorist because they behave better on the road as they are more compact lighter & more rigid ...

... but to be fair Holden has had the Monaro in its stables since the 1960's ... unfortunatley Ford USA saw Australia as such a small market it wouldnt "tool up" the Ford Plant here for a Falcon coupe even though they had a 2 door version of their own ... thats why the 1968 XT Falcon GT had 4 doors & by default so did the 1972 Falcon GTHO Phase 3 & every Falcon GT or FPV since (excepting the XC Cobra) ... the new Holden & Ford top end "sporty spaceships" like the Clubsport & GT BOSS are more muscle than sport in my opinion that cater perfectly to the V8 Supercar crowd of which there are hundreds of thousands which makes for good business i guess ...

... pity that the die hard supporters of V8 Supercars who would mortgage their house on the back of their beloved race series & car manufacturer to own a Clubsport or Boss dont realise or wont believe that the cars zooming around Mount Panorama arent Holdens or Fords but $800,000 purpose built race cars that "look" like Commodores & Falcons & they even share a lot of identical parts from Hollinger gearboxes to spool diffs to Alcon ferrous brakes ... Bathurst was so much better when there were all sorts of car makes in the field ...those were the days there was something special about the event ...

... ive had my Skyline for 10 years now & i still "get that smile" every time i drive it & still sometimes sneak out in it by myself for a mid week nightime spurt up to Gosford or down to Wollongong just for something to do ... i cant imagine ever selling it ...

... i think Ravi summed it perfectly when he said Skylines arent about logic & sense theyre more about emotion & desire ...

... cheers malcolm

My VE SS was faster than my R32 GTR around Wakefield and far more comfortable around town.......

[Ruxis]

My VE SS was faster than my R32 GTR around Wakefield and far more comfortable around town.......

But what driving level are you at?

A SS will beat a gtr around anything if the driver isn't very experienced in cornering (like myself haha).

A SS is fast on the straight as talked about so if you can't utilize the benefits of the gtr ofcoarse the SS will be faster.

There's way to many factors in this reply to suggest the SS is a faster car, if that was intended.

[zebra]

Of course it is the faster car...just have a look a the 3e production race results for the last few years

Its Evo IX and X up front, followed by the HSV's then everything else 90% of the time,

Duncan's car is well sorted and is quick (its an N1 btw) Mid corner speed he is a bit quicker and corner exit out of tight corners having 4wd helps.

But are you guys that Naive to think that the current commodores can't be punted round a track rather quickly?