New Toymota "sports" Car

[DivHunter]

From that article - http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/confirmed-subaru-brz-coming-to-australia-20111219-1p1bo.html

Which would you choose?

Subaru BRZ

14%

Toyota 86

11%

Whatever one is cheapest

13%

Neither, I'd choose something else

62%

I lol'd

[MattR]

http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/

there is the price for it in the US. now we wait and see what it will be here. if it is 40+ they will be kidding themselves i think. Imagine the numbers they would sell if it was 25 or there abouts here

[defari]

25 would be way to low.. id say it will be priced around the mid to low 30's.. there is too many better cars for 40K

[defari]

fckn youtube

Edited March 30, 2012 by defari

[mad082]

http://www.scion.com/cars/FR-S/

there is the price for it in the US. now we wait and see what it will be here. if it is 40+ they will be kidding themselves i think. Imagine the numbers they would sell if it was 25 or there abouts here

won't be 25k here. if it's 25k in the US then it will be about 35k to 40k here. the base model camry hybrid in the US sells for about 26k, and it's about 35k (39k with onroads) here. obviously there will be differences in spec, so prices will vary a bit from that, but that is a good base to work off.

[zebra]

The haters need to read Peter Robinson's views on the 86 in the latest Wheels magazine. He's driven more cars than I've had hot dinners, and in terms of purity of feel and experience, he rates it above the MX-5 and any current car on the market.

....But its wheels magazine...they gave the P76 COTY and crashed a lambo into a guard rail at 60km/h

and...its wheels magazine

[sultanaz]

woohoo i get to drive the ft86 around at work in few months

[MattR]

won't be 25k here. if it's 25k in the US then it will be about 35k to 40k here. the base model camry hybrid in the US sells for about 26k, and it's about 35k (39k with onroads) here. obviously there will be differences in spec, so prices will vary a bit from that, but that is a good base to work off.

i know it will never be 25 but if toyota did offer it at a discount price (a lot less than subaru will sell it for)it a good way of getting new people to the toyota brand that it hasnt had for years

if it was in the low 30's id look at getting an ex demo after the hype dies down

[defari]

its a tough one.. toyota need to make money.. i think they may rely on the hype of the ae86 too much.. its a decent looking car, seems to handle very well but when you think of it - more than 35K for a 2L NA with like 200hp its a bit much.. id rather spend the extra 5-10k to get into a wrx with loads more power / looks a lot better..

[mad082]

its a tough one.. toyota need to make money.. i think they may rely on the hype of the ae86 too much.. its a decent looking car, seems to handle very well but when you think of it - more than 35K for a 2L NA with like 200hp its a bit much.. id rather spend the extra 5-10k to get into a wrx with loads more power / looks a lot better..

luxury model rx8 went for over 60k and only had 158kw. having said that, there were cheaper models (around 50k) that had more power.

and toyota won't sell a car dirt cheap to make money. that won't make them any money. it will move units, but won't make them any money.

[defari]

Lol that's right forgot about the rx8. The 3rd gen had some decent power iirc 206kw?

And agreed, it's a tough one for Toyota. Good to see hks and Trd already have a catalogue of parts

[FrangaR33]

Apparently there is going to be a BRZ Sti

"A BRZ STI would benefit from tweaks to the standard 147kW 2.0-litre ‘boxer’ motor that would reportedly peak power rise closer to 180kW. Other potential upgrades include modifications to its variable valve control system, re-developed intake, freer-flowing exhaust, and a raised rev-limit of 7500rpm."

Motor magazine reckons that the Sti model will be $52k which if it does have 180KW isn't too bad when compared with its rivals.

Personally i'm not really that keen, but the Mrs wants to get one second hand in a 3 or 4 years time when they get cheaper.

[Tai1or Made]

[alex182]

^yeah saw that the other day.

powered by the V8 from a Lexus IS-F.

Them Japanese folk don't mess around

[Tai1or Made]

Not a fan of all the drift cars with V8's, but that sounds horn.

[Nee-san]

Everyone saying that either car will come in under 45k is kidding themselves, laugh and think that this is Australia !

I would rather pay 30k for an FD and spend 15 K on it.

[sultanaz]

Everyone saying that either car will come in under 45k is kidding themselves, laugh and think that this is Australia !

I would rather pay 30k for an FD and spend 15 K on it.

Forsure, Or even a R34 GTR with Low K's

[funkymonkey]

Anyone who compares a modern car to a shitheap old AE86 is delusional. Thank fuck it's nothing like that solid rear axel'd clanger with an underpowered cast iron engine that needs borrowed parts from other cars to make it somewhat bearable.

this could get confusing.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/confirmed-subaru-brz-coming-to-australia-20111219-1p1bo.html

Someone at Subaru must've realised that if they don't sell a handful at least from day one, it'll open the floodgates for grey imports, which will be cheaper than the locally sold Toyotas, which will mean lost sales for both companies.

[Lacey]

Just to clear the murky waters a little, the FT-86 is powered by a Subaru inspired boxer motor.. Not a subaru motor. As far as im aware subaru has never used direct injection in a petrol boxer motor, this is why Toyota are calling it the D4-S. I work at Toyota and no matter how much i pester people about the release date and price, all i seem to get is mid july to august sometime and reasonably priced. Looking at the prices for other brand new Toyota's, it isn't going to be exactly cheap but what brand new rear wheel drive coupe is right?

When the release for the eight six was announced, Subaru was unsure of releasing the BRZ in Australia. Mainly because of the competition with toyota which would be released first but also because Subaru Australia is an all wheel drive market and that is all they sell in australia. This was months ago of course, someone please correct me if i am wrong.

[ras1983]

I can't see this being any less than 40-45k, which puts the car in line with some of the hot hatches (ST, MPS, cheap-spec GTi, etc). The MX5 is also somewhere in that price bracket. Then there is the problem of used performance cars in that price bracket (VW R32, R36, jap imports, etc). So the Toyota/Subaru has some stiff competition. It will need to be a cracker of a car to compete, and early reviews/test drives suggest the car might be good enough to provide a true alternative to existing sports cars in that price bracket.

IMO performance cars today are too powerful and too fast to be enjoyed on Autralia's raods considering the increasingly draconian road laws. Somethine like the Toyota/Subaru means drivers can have fun within the limits of the law albeit at the cost of outright power.