Formula One 2012

[sh@un]

  On 02/09/2012 at 11:18 PM, MattR said:

Romain only cause the penalty cause it was Homo he hit first. if anyone else it probably would have been OK.

yeah, that totally makes sense

or not

[ctjet]

im not agaisnt race bans, im all for it actually

should be more of them

Edited September 2, 2012 by ctjet

[tweety bird]

i want to go to spa..

[tweety bird]

Pasta marinara will be demoted 10 places on the Italian Grand Prix grid as a punishment for both jumping the start in Belgium and colliding with Timo Glock.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102186

Caterham has been given a €10,000 fine for releasing Heikki Kovalainen from the pits in an unsafe manner during the Belgian Grand Prix, but other pit incidents involving Mark Webber and Michael Schumacher were not punished.

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102203

Romain Grosjean has accepted his one-race ban for causing the multi-car accident at the start of the Belgian Grand Prix, but says the punishment is hard to take.

The 26-year-old Frenchman was banned from participating in next weekend's Italian Grand Prix and fined €50,000 after the Spa stewards concluded he caused an avoidable crash at La Source.

"When you love racing this is very hard," said Grosjean. "I accept my mistake."

Grosjean maintained he did not intend to squeeze Lewis Hamilton's McLaren towards the pitwall on the inside, prior to the contact that caused them both to collide with Fernando Alonso's Ferrari and both Saubers.

"We know that La Source is a very tough corner. It was a bit of a crazy start as well with [Pastor] Maldonado leaving [the grid early] and the Sauber [Kobayashi] smoking a lot," said Grosjean.

"I did a mistake and I misjudged the gap with Lewis. I was sure I was in front of him. So a small mistake made a big incident.

"I didn't change my line, I went from left to right. I was not really wanting to put anyone in the wall - I'm not here to stop the race in the first corner. I'm very, very sorry and I'm glad that nobody is hurt.

"But I have to say it is a very, very hard decision to hear."

Grosjean, who has been involved in five early-race incidents this year, said he was more angry with himself than with the penalty, but added that the accidents were not all caused by over-aggression.

"I did too many," he said. "If there is more than one then that is too many, I agree. But as I say it is not always the same. It's not over-aggressive by braking 200 metres too late, it's just most of the time misjudgement of the space I have in front or the space I have on the side.

"It's true that we don't see much in the mirrors and stuff like that and it goes very quick at the start.

"I was to be honest 100 per cent sure I was in front of Lewis but I was not so I need to rethink about my view of the car.

"I am the most angry at myself to have misjudged the gap with Lewis's car."

Grosjean said that his focus now was on analysing what led to the ban and to ensure that the rest of the season continues without error, adding that he hoped it would not affect his chances of keeping his drive with Lotus in 2012.

"It is too much. I know that. Some are not my fault, but yeah I will analyse that and I will try to not repeat it in the seven last races," he said.

"For sure I don't want to do any more [crashes] by the end of the season. So I will work, I will analyse as much as I can to try and avoid those. Some were misfortune, some were my mistake but now it is time to finish that."

http://www.autosport...t.php/id/102205

[tweety bird]

[tweety bird]

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[89CAL]

  On 02/09/2012 at 11:53 PM, tweety bird said:

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Appropriate?

I think the Grosjean race ban is a bit harsh. I'm not trying to shift the blame off him, he did make a mistake. But at the same time it was a Hektick start and it seems like a simple judgement error. There was to many cars around for it to be small incident

Its unfortunate it happened. But Its given Kimi and Mark a good boost closer to Alonso, so not all bad

[sh@un]

  On 02/09/2012 at 11:23 PM, ctjet said:

im not agaisnt race bans, im all for it actually

should be more of them

yeah- they can start by permanently revoking Pasta's super license

[ctjet]

Pasta, Roman and Pic would have all got at least one race ban each under my regime

Edited September 3, 2012 by ctjet

[wolverine]

What about Schuey's trick moves?

[ctjet]

or am i thinking of Vergne

the Valencia brain fade

whoever that was

[ctjet]

  On 03/09/2012 at 11:39 AM, wolverine said:

What about Schuey's trick moves?

outside of the rubens in hungary fiasco, nothing is jumping out at me

recently i mean

[Berk]

  On 02/09/2012 at 11:21 PM, tweety bird said:

the tweet everyone was talking about.

What's the story behind this if you don't mind.

[PN-Mad]

Berk,

Lewis tweeted it on the arvo day before the race I think. Believe it shows data from Hamo and Button from Spa. The line that hes drawn on appears to be the time differential between the two cars. Jenson was running a low downforce setup, with newer rear wing or something. Therefore its showing that Hamo is slower down the straights, and making up time on button in the twisties.

amiright?

[Berk]

Ahhhh, thx.

[wolverine]

  On 03/09/2012 at 11:43 AM, ctjet said:

outside of the rubens in hungary fiasco, nothing is jumping out at me

recently i mean

The Schuey chop has been brought out over several seasons. Rosberg nearly shortened LH's career from memory by moving him onto the grass at high speed, LH + Kobayashi last year at Spa (if memory serves) making contact in a similar fashion to Grosjean but obviously not at the start of the race so only affecting each other.

It seems that Grosjean is having a week off for being noobish and not understanding if he was clear of LH but if the same move was made by an established F1 driver like Schuey, would they have applied the same penalty? They may have decided to clamp down on the next major incident and Grosjean was the first in line.

[UWAM]

  On 03/09/2012 at 11:51 AM, PN-Mad said:

Berk,

Lewis tweeted it on the arvo day before the race I think. Believe it shows data from Hamo and Button from Spa. The line that hes drawn on appears to be the time differential between the two cars. Jenson was running a low downforce setup, with newer rear wing or something. Therefore its showing that Hamo is slower down the straights, and making up time on button in the twisties.

amiright?

Looks to me a lot like they didn't match the gear ratios to the downforce/drag setup. Seems like much too tall a seventh gear in Lewis's car. Proabably not worth 0.6s though. Jensons lateral G plot looks a little better as well.

For anyone wondering, this is how I'm interpreting the data:

Top line - RPM

Next one down, crosses with RPM - Lateral G's

Dotted line - Time delta (written on it)

Square wave one - Not sure??

Bottom - Throttle position and brake pressure overlaid.

[OSR220]

Square wave looks like gears?

and the top line i believe is speed

Edited September 3, 2012 by OSR220

[tweety bird]

[Berk]

  On 03/09/2012 at 3:06 PM, OSR220 said:

Square wave looks like gears?

and the top line i believe is speed

And I'll say the last one is throttle position, top is defs speed if you ask me, which no one did.

Edited September 3, 2012 by Berk