World Time Attack Challenge 2012

[Leroy Peterson]

jeezus

[benm]

looking at the (lack of) steering wheel work i'd say thats more so a well sorted chassis/suspension setup than just pure aero....

[zebra]

Love the airshifted box

[SRS13]

Yeah that looks very well set-up, turn in is so crisp with little to no understeer despite the late braking. Does exactly what he wants.

Compare that to this from Scorch;

BTW is Nemo's speedo correct??

The top speed was somewhere in the 240km mark down the straight which seems quite slow for the time they are running. Last year the Sierra EVO was claiming to hit 298km down the straight and even JET200 stated they hit 260km.

[Victory]

It is only when you start to compare the Time Attack times with the Eastern Creek Lap records do you start to realise how quick some of the cars are going. Today was dry but very windy and seriously cold so getting tyre temps up would have been a challenge all day.

We caught up with Russman today and he was coming to grips with the track and the conditions and improving as the day progressed. To do a 1.39.6 in the conditions was a great result that he hopefullly will improve on tomorrow.

As of 15 July 2012.^[12]

Outright Nico Hülkenberg Lola A1GP Zytek 1:19.1420 4 February 2007

Racing Cars

A1GP Nico Hülkenberg Lola A1GP Zytek 1:19.1420 4 February 2007

Formula Holden Tim Leahey Reynard 92D Holden 1:22.5131 26 March 2000

Formula Three Winslow Dallara F307 Mercedes-Benz 1:23.1737 16 July 2011

Formula Libre/Historic Ty Hanger Ralt RT4 Ford 1:27.6786 5 November 2005

Superkarts Russell Jamieson Anderson Maverick DEA 1:28.1929 16 July 2011

Formula Two Arthur Abrahams Cheetah Mk.8 Volkswagen 1:29.3500 25 August 1991

Formula Ford Jack Le Brocq Mygale SJ11a Ford 1:35.3251 16 July 2011

Formula Ford Kent Rob Storey Spirit WL07 Ford 1:38.9196 22 September 2007

Formula Vee 1600 Jason Cutts Jacer F2K7 Volkswagen 1:47.1592 23 September 2007

Formula Vee 1200 Jay Hall Jacer Volkswagen 1:50.9297 25 September 2005

Sports Cars

GT Sports Cars David Russell Lamborghini Gallardo 1:28.8814 15 July 2012

Supersports/Sports Racer Garth Walden Radical SR3 1:30.7096 21 June 2009

Production Sports Allan Simonsen Ferrari 360GT 1:33.4054 6 August 2006

Porsche Cup/Drivers Challenge Kane Rose Porsche 997 GT3 Cup 1:34.0490 15 July 2012

Carrera Cup Alex Davison Porsche 996 GT3 Cup 1:34.2011 3 April 2004

Clubman Sports Chris Barry PRB Clubman 1:38.7875 23 June 2002

Aussie Racing Cars David Sieders Falcon-Yamaha 1:43.5824 11 June 2007

Historic Sports Cars

Group Sc Geoff Morgan Porsche 911 Carrera 1:46.9261 30 May 2010

Group Sb ony Dains Triumph TR6 1:51.7191 28 May 2011

Group Sa Peter Jackson Austin-Healey 3000 MkI 1:51.8841 28 May 2011

Touring Cars

Time Attack Eiji Yamada Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 1:28.8510 6 August 2011

Sports Sedan Tony Ricciardello Alfa Romeo GTV-Chevrolet 1:28.9391 15 July 2012

V8 Supercar Mark Skaife Holden VT Commodore 1:31.7301 28 March 1999

Super Touring Cameron McLean BMW 320i 1:33.8642 7 June 1998

Improved Production Dave Loftus Nissan Skyline GT-R 1:42.5294 23 September 2007

Italian Challenge Andrew Leithhead Alfa Romeo GTV6 1:44.2082 24 June 2001

Commodore Cup Tony Bates Holden VS Commodore 1:44.8247 17 July 2011

Group 3E Bob Pearson Mazda RX-7 1:46.4351 7 November 2004

Saloon Cars Shawn Jamieson Holden VT Commodore 1:47.5126 17 July 2011

V8 Utes Grant Johnson Holden Ute VZ SS 1:50.4062 26 November 2006

HQ Holden Greg King HQ Holden 1:58.4667 7 December 1997

Historic Touring Cars

Central Muscle Cars Jason Richards Chevrolet Camaro 1:41.5119 6 September 2009

Group A Terry Ashwood Nissan Skyline GTR 1:41.8511 4 September 2010

Touring Car Masters John Bowe Ford Mustang Trans-Am 1:42.0978 3 September 2011

Group C Jason Richards Holden Torana A9X 1:43.0145 4 September 2011

Group Nc Ross Donnelley Ford Mustang 1:46.0209 28 November 2003

Group Nb Bill Trengrove Ford Mustang 1.50.5692 4 September 2011

Group Na Craig Stephenson Holden FJ 2:11.2755 22 June 2003

Motorcycles

500cc Grand Prix Alex Criville Honda NSR500 1.30.360 20 October 1996

Superbike Jamie Stauffer Kawasaki Ninja ZX-10R 1.31.655 9 April 2006

250cc Grand Prix Max Biaggi Aprilia RSV 250 1.32.080 20 October 1996

Formula Xtreme Kevin Curtain Yamaha R1 1.32.657 4 October 2003

Supersport Jamie Stauffer Yamaha R6 1.33.989 18 February 2007

125cc Grand Prix Haruchika Aoki Honda RS125R 1.36.270 20 October 1996

Sidecar Steve Abbott/ Jamie Biggs LCR-Suzuki GSX-R1000 1.37.420 1 May 2005

Edited August 10, 2012 by Victory

[SRS13]

^^^ Its a different track and quicker than the old layout. Its virtually pointless in comparing the times other than trying to estimate how much quicker the track actually is.

Without having driven the new track the changes appear to be;

• looks to be an increased exit on turn 3 (might be wrong here)
  
• definite increased exit on turn 5
  
• removal of turn 7, making a quicker turn 6
  
• increased exit on the old turn 9
  
• improved surface on most of the track
  

Edited August 10, 2012 by SRS13

[Risking]

  On 10/08/2012 at 10:32 AM, Tudor_M said:

Nemo is extremely fast!

One impressive thing is aero. There's just a lift in T1!

Sustained lateral g up to and around 2g. There's plenty of pace left. He's not even in qualifying mode of driving yet - it's clearly seen that he's driving calmly. Very impressive aero work. Is there any videos with logged accelerations from 2011 WTAC top cars?

Thanks

Ted

That's just a nailed chassis. The way it changes direction and settles at speed is incredible, but doesn't suprise me coming from the guys who are responsible for the geometry, it could have been an Evo/wrx/GTR it didn't matter to them.

The 240k top speed was correct for that lap too.

You won't see warren hustling the car like I think your expecting to see in this "qualifying mode" it just won't happen.

His calm and precise everytime he drives.

[Tudor_M]

  On 10/08/2012 at 11:26 AM, Risking said:

That's just a nailed chassis. The way it changes direction and settles at speed is incredible, but doesn't suprise me coming from the guys who are responsible for the geometry, it could have been an Evo/wrx/GTR it didn't matter to them.

The 240k top speed was correct for that lap too.

You won't see warren hustling the car like I think your expecting to see in this "qualifying mode" it just won't happen.

His calm and precise everytime he drives.

It is f very well sorted chassis no dubt about it. I'm a professional race engineer. To me this doesn't look like all out 110% lap. It's not that he has to start fighting the ill handling car to make it look fast to me . Ask any race engineer - every car on earth when absolutely on the limit will constantly be oversteering/understeering (back and forth during even one corner) to some degree. Very well sorted cars it would not be drastic changes requiring large corrections from the driver. I think some of you guys are actually there - just ask Warren if that lap was him taking absolut maximum out of the car. It's most evident under braking.

Button is good example - as smooth and calm driving style as he is there's a visible difference in his normal lap and qualy lap.

My humble opinion is that there's still more to come.

Can't wait for Syber Evo to show their hand.

Thanks

Ted

Edited August 10, 2012 by Tudor_M

[fatz]

Looking at the video I can easily say the track is 2 seconds quicker because of turn 7

[Roy]

That thing is bonkers fast. Also highlights just how much more track is available to use with all the concrete run off added to several corners

[hrd-hr30]

It obviously has a pretty good chassis setup, but when all that horsepower equates to just 240kph top speed and 220kph minimum T1 speed, it's fairly obvious the aero-grip is the difference between it and the others, rather than its chassis. That's where the really impressive grip is coming from.

[sav man]

far out that nemo footage highlights how bad the suspension is on the jap cars! they would be upside down if they attacked the curbs like that

[sycorb]

  On 10/08/2012 at 1:13 PM, fatz said:

Looking at the video I can easily say the track is 2 seconds quicker because of turn 7

really bit hard to beleive

marek that won the clubsprint class last year is .5 second faster than his last year time

[Risking]

They apparently limited the car to 240km/h to keep the game going.

  On 10/08/2012 at 11:08 PM, hrd-hr30 said:

It obviously has a pretty good chassis setup, but when all that horsepower equates to just 240kph top speed and 220kph minimum T1 speed, it's fairly obvious the aero-grip is the difference between it and the others, rather than its chassis. That's where the really impressive grip is coming from.

[tk80]

Any update on burgess in the 32? Thought he was aiming for 35's?

[Nee-san]

He got love tapped by the mx5 no ?

[handbrake]

you have to wonder how much the aero effected top speed. who cares though when you can dispatch turn one like it were a mere kink

anyone notice what times chris eaton put down relative to luffy?

phonomenal times by lots of teams this year

[fatz]

  On 11/08/2012 at 12:34 AM, sycorb said:

really bit hard to beleive

marek that won the clubsprint class last year is .5 second faster than his last year time

Not really good track conditions to go fast though

[Husky33]

A low point was the debarcle that occured in the clubsprint class, which will most likely result in the top two finishers being disqualified due to 'illegal' mods for their class.

The rules and regs really need to be re-written to take out the ambiguity that arises within the clubsprint class in regards to what mods are actually allowed.

Also, does scrutineering before the event actually look to see if the car can compete in it's chosen class?

The car that won the class had fibreglass guards ffs, which is clearly not allowed, but nothing was said until a formal protest had to be put in(which cost $600) after the event.

Bitching then occured which saw the second placed entrant being scrutinised for a detachable steering wheel, which they want to disqualify him for.

Crazy

[zebra]

I take it that was the wrx mentioned earlier in this thread

Sucks that someone had to front the cash for a car that should've been picked up before the event started