Noob Question - Why Do You Logbook Your Racecar?

[GETSET]

Hi all,

i guess its a pretty silly question, but i have decided to deregister the car and make it a dedicated track car.

I have to date been enyjoying track days only and looking into time attack. Does the car need a log book for super sprints?

[evil_weevil]

What club do you do supersprints with?

Best to check with them and previous sup regs for an event as this will give you the best answer.

If it is going to be 'log booked' it needs to be built to a certain class.

wat car is it?

[GETSET]

Thinking of joining nsw. (ardc)

It's a 32 gtr gutted bigger motor turbo etc ...

Would there be a class for such build ?

[kingscorp]

Log Booking is more for actual racing not time attack.

Its a CAMS thing, they have different racing categories, for Example: Sports Sedans, Improved Production Car, Formula Ford, Formula V, V8 Supercar, Saloon Car, HQ and so on. Each Category has a number reference, Improved Production is CAMs "3J", Sports Sedans is CAMS "3D"

If you have your car log booked it means it meets the criteria and regualtions for the category it log booked. You have to have the car built to meet the category and ready to race before it can be log booked. If for example you decide to log book your GTR as an Improved Production Car 3J. Once your car is ready to race a CAMS inspector will inspect it for saftey, then another category inspector will inspect it for eligibilty. The eligibilty test it to make your you haven't cheated and it meets technical requirments for the category you have applied for.

Log booking will dramatically increase the value of your car.

GTR car be a Sports Sedan, Street Car or Improved Production Car and im sure a few others.

Here is the list

CAMS Categories

You can click on each one and read the regulations

I hope that helps

Ash

[warps]

I think you can logbook it as a PRC rally car too . I haven't kept up with the latest rally regs, but I know that last year the ARC cars were able to run without the turbo restrictor (which for a 2.6L GTR would absolutely kill performance). If you could run it sans restrictor, it's be a hell of a lot of fun on gravel. Maybe not the fastest thing out there, but lots of fun and spectacular!!

As for dramatically increasing the value of the car - I kinda agree. Certainly will make it more desirable, as it is considered to be more of a race car, rather than an ebay parts special covered in stickers (which some of the track day cars can be). How much actual value it adds can be debated though. Personally, if I were wanting a race / rally car I'd certainly be after one with a logbook.

[Risking]

Log books are irrelevant for categories. I can log book a GTR as anything I want( tin top categories obviously) eligibility is another matter. A sports sedan an race with IPRA or prod cars providing it meets the regulations.

Log books are a CAMS insurance requirement to make sure that vehicles which are unregistered have been deemed safe by a cams inspection. The liability they face with vehicles is massive and logbooks are the only way to keep track of the vehicles safety aspect/ safety history/crash history etc etc.

It has nothing to do with category requirements.

[kingscorp]

Log books are irrelevant for categories. I can log book a GTR as anything I want( tin top categories obviously) eligibility is another matter. A sports sedan an race with IPRA or prod cars providing it meets the regulations.

Log books are a CAMS insurance requirement to make sure that vehicles which are unregistered have been deemed safe by a cams inspection. The liability they face with vehicles is massive and logbooks are the only way to keep track of the vehicles safety aspect/ safety history/crash history etc etc.

It has nothing to do with category requirements.

Maybe be different over on the east coast, but in WA it has to meet the technical requirements of the category you are applying for.

So you can log book your GTR as a V8 Supercar or HQ or Saloon car? So CAMS would log book Darren Hossacks SAAB sports sedan as an Improved Production car? I dont think so.

I have logged booked several cars. In WA the CAMS Scruitineed will check itfor general regulations and then a CAMS category inspector will check it and it will have to be within the rules of the category you are applying for. It must be in a race ready state of build.

Here is the application form form I sruitineer will comeout and check it, he will have a big checklist.

Ash

Edited January 4, 2012 by kingscorp

[evil_weevil]

Maybe be different over on the east coast, but in WA it has to meet the technical requirements of the category you are applying for.

So you can log book your GTR as a V8 Supercar or HQ or Saloon car? So CAMS would log book Darren Hossacks SAAB sports sedan as an Improved Production car? I dont think so.

I cant log book MX5s for IPRA, only certain classes - I was thinking the same as Ash on this.

Mind you I dont work in the field, just assuming my answer at the start as thats what Ive been told in the past about the topic.

[Risking]

Obviously the GTR can't Race in a one make series like HQ's or super cars.....

It doesn't matter what the log book says though. Logbook inspections are not done to determine eligibility they are done to determine saftey aspects and accordance with the cams manual.

Normally here you'll have a pre race scruit check done by one of the series scruiteneers to check actualy eligibility.

Ive just done an r32 which was loged as an IPRA car to race in production. No new log book just a pre race inspection. The cars log book still says it's an IPRA car but it's doing the prod car championship this year.

Like I said you can't log one as a formula ford or superkart etc that's just stupid.

But what you do logbook it as has absolutely no bearing on what categories it can race in.

[Duncan]

To get back to the original question - generally a car is log booked with CAMS/AASA/Irace mainly because those organisations require it to enter many events.

Pretty much any event will require a log book if your car is not registered; the more serious events will require a log book whether it is registered or not. For a CAMS logbook you really only have to comply with schedule A, B and J.

You will also need to chose a category for the log book, as per the discussion above, my experience is they don't really check eligibility at this check (or at most events either, but don't get me started on that...). But if there was something obviously wrong for a requested category I think they would issue the log book under another more appropriate one.

[GETSET]

it now makes sense

[kingscorp]

In WA they check elligibilty before you can even submit the paperwork to CAMS.

[GreddyGo]

So in short, so long as the car meets or exceed's CAMS schedule A & B (also J if cage fitted) your car is will be able to gain a logbook?

[Risking]

No the procedure is fairly simple.

You build the vehicle according to ALL the manual sections that are relelvant. Not A B and J. All the general requirement sections must be compliable.

The manufacturer of the cage completes a ROPS registration form.

You the owner complete a log book application form, then organize a pre log book inspection.

That inspection should cover all the cams shedules Inc fire, wheels/tires (size is irrelevant at this point)

Pass or fail the inspector completes the last page of your log book application forms. At this stage you nominate a category to log book the car, ( it's not important which category)

Once log booked you then decide you want to race IPRA.

The IPRA association will have a pre race inspection scruiteneer come and view the vehicle ( alot of the tw this can be done at the same time as the log book inspection)

This inspection checks for elligiablity. Wheel sizes, restrictors, panel work, interior trim etc etc etc.

Pass or fail the form gets completed and submitted back to the assosiation.

Pass, your now elligable to race, fail you need rectifications.

Log book inspection will check all cams shedules for general requirements.

Pre race inspections will check for elligabilty and conformity to the categories rules.

If at any time you now decide to race the same car in production touring. Call the prod inspector and have an elligabilty inspection done (after you know it is right)

The log book can still say IPRA but you are eligible for prod touring as the car passed the inspection.

I've done 4 cars already this January all of which were don't this exact way by 3 separate scruiteneers.

[Risking]

Also worth mentioning is as of 1/1/2012 there is now differnent requirements in the general requirements for club, state and national race levels.

Not sure if previously competing vehicles will be exempt from the new regulations but cams couldn't give me the answer today so I'd assume not at this time.