C63 Owner About To Testdrive Gtr Needing Help

[mclrn]

Hi People... Thanks in advance

Ok... Without beating around the bush, I need to be convinced on the following.

Car is going to be used for the track 60% and road 40%.

Want to do Supersprint series.

and drive it to my dads on the weekend.

1) What are the running costs for a full track day. Tyres/Brakes/Tuning/Oil?

2) Is the car a Cop magnet. Like can I feel comfortable cruising in the car without being labelled..?

3) Has Resale value and take up been good for a 3 year old? Can the cars sell?

4) Is there a club in Sydney, that has regular meet ups, that has some people that use their car mainly for the track?

5) Anything else I should know.

Thanks again...

Am pumped !!!

[LSX-438]

I've had my R35 for about 3 years and done 40+ track days.

1. Running costs: a set of tyres will cost from $2000~$3200 and will last from 1 to 4 track days. It depends on what tyres you want (OEM, R's, Slicks) and what sort of events you do. You'll need to upgrade rotors and pads for track, and replace them every 5 to 10 track days depending on pads and rotor selected. The pads will cost about $800~$1000 a set and rotors about $800ea. However the rear pads/rotors will last 3x longer than fronts or longer. When tracking regularly i replace diff, trans and engine fluids every 5000km. Budget about $500 to $1000 for that depending on fluids selected.

2. Cops have never come near me, and i daily drive it in Sydney (have for 3 years)

3. I purchased the car for $167k drive away and i hazard a guess it's worth $100~$110k now (PM me if you want to buy!)

4. Once you start doing sprints you will meet heaps of people

5. By far the biggest cost for me was upgrading bits and bobs.. active wing, e85 setup, new coilovers, exhausts, etc.

The car is a fantasic track weapon, given you can drive it to the track and run faster tha most race cars. However, it's a pretty boring road car (you just can't use it on the street, to anything near its potential, and to be frank once you experience balls out R35 on the track, you'll never think you can have fun on the street again anyway). The C63 is a much more entertaining street car fwiw, but would be smashed by the R35 on the track.

Hope this helps

Edited January 25, 2012 by LSX-438

[Munro]

Yes, I second that. The R35 is not the best daily driver ( I drive my E63 AMG during the week more than the R35)

but if you are going to track the car regularly then the R35 is easily the best car you can buy for the money.

If you can afford it, the new 2011/2012 R35s are smoother as a daily than the 09/10 models. A few back to back

test drives will confirm that. A few small mods & they are a devastating weapon on street or track.

There are a lot of C63s on the market now so if you trade it on a new 2012 R35 your changeover is not going to be a

lot less than just keeping the C63 and buying a used R35 as a second car for trackwork/weekends.

[R31Nismoid]

Other thing to consider - depending on it's importance or not - is the attitude of the dealership.

Friend with a AMG C63 goes into Merc before a track day etc. They top up oils, give the car a once over etc all without issue (or charge). Same for another with an Audi RS5.

You won't catch Nissan doing these types of free 'value adds'.

Suppose it depends if you are keeping it stock-ish or not, and if you are going to do the work yourself, as to whether the above has any relevance.

[mclrn]

Awesome, information. Thanks very much.

I have a second car ( that I use for the road).Not interested in a road car as I use my c63 mainly for that track now anyway.I have boosted it an everything, and the best I could get out of it was 1.49.79 at the creek. Only can reach around 220...

Yeah, I am getting the 2012 model , but test driving the 2011.

Also test driving a 2008 Porsche Turbo, so will be deciding between those... Well to honest, have already decided on the GTR pretty much.

Anyway, I guess I will be in touch with you guys going forward....

[Jonny_r35]

Other thing to consider - depending on it's importance or not - is the attitude of the dealership.

Friend with a AMG C63 goes into Merc before a track day etc. They top up oils, give the car a once over etc all without issue (or charge). Same for another with an Audi RS5.

You won't catch Nissan doing these types of free 'value adds'.

Suppose it depends if you are keeping it stock-ish or not, and if you are going to do the work yourself, as to whether the above has any relevance.

I was told by the Nissan dealership that if you want to track the car, you need them to check the fluids and have the wheel alignment adjusted, before and after. I don't believe there is a charge for that unless you need fresh fluids afterwards. Nissan doesn't discourage taking the car onto a track, I guess they figure you'll need additional servicing and parts sooner or later.

I don't daily drive mine and couldn't think of anything more boring than sitting and creeping along in peak hour traffic in it. However, there are plenty of roads around that give you an opportunity to enjoy the car in bursts, without having to track it. Each to their own I guess....

[R31Nismoid]

If there isn't a charge then that's not too bad. Suppose they will get you good on the rotors/pads in the end anyway if you go OEM

[mclrn]

Yeah, I heard that as well.But to be honest, I have a tuner, which will be voiding some of my warranties.I am hoping as occured with the c63 , along as I keep my car in good order ensure that it is maintained Go see nissan befoe and after Try to make friends with the dealership service guys

the warranty hopefully will hold up ...Fingers and toes crossed !!!!

I guess I ain't buying the car to not take it to its limits, otherwise I might as well buy a Camry...lol

Can't wait... After I make my full decision..then comes adjustable rear wing... Carbon fibre parts ... Tyres/wheels/brakes ... And more ... $$$$ ... Never stops ... Hehehe

[dkbcleaner]

All the best with your decision mate be sure to post up pics when you purchase it

[GT-R OZ]

The GTR is an awesome car no doubt about but there's one thing it does faster then accelerate and that's depreciate! Anyone who thinks they can sell an 09ADM that's been tracked for over 100k is simply dreaming! There are a number of 09's for sale on carsales.com for just over 100K that have low KLM's on them, never seen a track day in their life and have been on sale for months. Dealers won't give you much over 80K for an 09 (which is nearly out of warranty) as a trade because they know they can't shift them. I'm currently looking for an 09 but I obviously I won't touch one that's been tracked with a barge pole and certainly won't be paying over a 100k! As I said great car but be prepared for hit if you buy a new one!

Edited January 25, 2012 by GT-R OZ

[domino_z]

the depreciation of the gtr isnt only to do with the car, but more to do with the current luxury (read high priced) used car market

look at what you can buy E92 M3s for now......well under 100k and they were in the same 180k+ bracket new as well

i do agree tracked examples always go for far less. if i was buying a gtr to track, id buy a used one for sure

[mclrn]

Yeah, pretty painful selling a car in AUS anyway.My C63 will Ony fetch around 85 at a dealer. Regardless of tracking or not.I am probably the only guy that will be putting his car as is on carsales, and hoping for an enthusiast..!!

Funny thing is that I have been sold cars previously that have said to be one ownered...never tracked..., and 3 months later, I am kicking myself..

Just want to know that I can sell it... And the answer does not sound good.Are GTR's selling at all?

I will have to take what you have said into consideration...

Anyway, tomorrow and sat I have the 2 test drives...

I might go either way now...

Thanks for the honesty!!

Edited January 26, 2012 by mclrn

[OzStriker]

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I won't touch one that's been tracked with a barge pole

Can I ask why?

[Adelaideprosound]

Guys that track their cars look after them much more than a guy that daily drives them.

[mclrn]

thats right ...

My 63 car has had more services then a normal car.

It also produces 336Kw at the rear wheels, has adjustable suspension, carbon air filter, Pulley, New LSD... Chipped..

What else would you want.. better then spending 25K to do it yourself...

Anyway, let see how it goes... hopefully there are other people who think like myself...

otherwise , will have to strip it back.. which would be disappointing..

[domino_z]

Guys that track their cars look after them much more than a guy that daily drives them.

correct gtr fluid maintenance after each outing? sure if he/she has deep pockets

mechanically? faster degradation of components, you don't replace clutches, diffs, box's, suspension bushes at a dealer service

visually? stone chips and gravel rash everywhere, very tired looking

i get invited to alot of manufacture track days from all the big brands, and these brand new cars always look trashed after a few days. i always think to myself who's going to buy them

Edited January 26, 2012 by domino_z

[GT-R OZ]

Lol: Can I ask why!

I think Domino sums it up pretty well! Anyway I'm not looking for a car that's been daily driven either. I'm looking for one that's been a garage queen and trust me there are plenty out there! Some people seem to think these cars will hold their value if they put 5,000KLM's per year on them and leave in the garage lol! Doh!

Edited January 26, 2012 by GT-R OZ

[Munro]

It is funny how the original JDMs actually held price better then the Aussie Delivered.

I did a great deal on My 08 Gun metallic R35 for only $125,000. Then tuned it, tracked it, did 20000km mainly up in the Adelaide hills

with it, then sold it last year for $115,000.

I did pretty well with my new 2011 Blue R35, saved over $20000 off new price with only 800kms on it (bought it from Lamborghini Sydney

after a baller traded it in on new Superleggera) but after only 6 months it is still worth $20000 less again if I had to sell it today.

Which I wont because I totally & absolutley LOVE this car.

Even way back in 2002, I bought the first EVO VII in the country ( a bright yellow one with carbon bonnet that was on cover of SPEED)

for $74,000. Cained it, raced it (even on dirt once!) did heaps of hills driving - over 10000km, then sold it for $73,000!

The next year I bought a Aussie delivered EVO VIII and lost $20000 on it within 18 months when I got bored with it!

I suppose, at the end of the day, if you want to PLAY you have to PAY.............

[weber]

I was told by the Nissan dealership that if you want to track the car, you need them to check the fluids and have the wheel alignment adjusted, before and after. I don't believe there is a charge for that unless you need fresh fluids afterwards. Nissan doesn't discourage taking the car onto a track, I guess they figure you'll need additional servicing and parts sooner or later.

I don't daily drive mine and couldn't think of anything more boring than sitting and creeping along in peak hour traffic in it. However, there are plenty of roads around that give you an opportunity to enjoy the car in bursts, without having to track it. Each to their own I guess....

From memory, Nissan does require you to have before/after services if you decide to track the car in order to keep it under warranty. And this comes with a price tag of $1000 (from memory....... )

[Jonny_r35]

From memory, Nissan does require you to have before/after services if you decide to track the car in order to keep it under warranty. And this comes with a price tag of $1000 (from memory....... )

You are right about them charging for the services, my dealer quoted $203 before and $203 after the track day.

Apart from changing the wheel alignment, they also reduce fluid levels prior to and top them back up afterwards. Brakes, tyres etc are also checked in both services.