So Will Sau Folk Still Refuse To Watch V8 Supercars

[benm]

I'd LOVE to see the Aussie cars going up against Eachother in a more reality based car

Speaking of "Aussie Cars" I wonder if this means that Nissan will also enter the AussieRacingCars series to rival Toyota...

[Roy]

Yes but what I enjoy Roy is development, and this formula doesn't really have any given the fixed spec. All the cars are designed and limited to allow identical performance. It DOES make for good racing, but the tech side doesn't excite me.

Freddy Gibson nailed it in 1993 when he replied to a question asking what he thought of the new V8 formula, he was running Winfield Commodores you'll remember... He replied, " the boys don't like working on these shitter cars.... the technical challenge just isn't there. We could have chosen a Falcon or Commodore, it doesn't matter, it's all about who brings us the most money."

I'd LOVE to see the Aussie cars going up against Eachother in a more reality based car, they're both excellent platforms. Hell, the new supercharged engine has made the Falcon an animal. Several mates own them and I'm a huge fan! 500hp plus at the treads with pipes and simple tune. Outstanding!

The lack of technical development and speed is a downer. But if they change up the rules every two years then you can see the spend increasing. Despite the series being pretty healthy, a lot of the teams still seem to fly pretty close to the "doors about to close" threshold.

Developing a car to its nth degree within controlled regs to be the fastest is far more technical than developing a car within loose regs on the best platform. They are tin tops, if you want the latest tech then need to look at GT1 and open wheelers. Not sure you are ever really going to get massive amounts of development in a tin top series based on models that only get mild face lifts every 4 or so years. I am not sure I agree, but I can see why the limit it, can be a massive spend for no real gain for the series as a whole.

I would love to see the V8 Superstar cars and our rules be closer. That way our teams can go and do a few rounds over there and their top teams can come for our major races. Would be cool to see Mercs, BMWs, Maseratis etc up against our boys. But their cars are a lot slower then ours

Streamline the regs and as well as every country having their domestic series then you can go up against one another at places like Bathurst, Spa, Monza, Abu Dhabi etc

[rehab2010]

Given the relevance of the Bluebird to the Aus market what would the point of that be? If you want to see turbo bluebirds beltin out laps why not get down to your local club event and enjoy the variety? Done of us appreciate Motorsport in all forms. I couldn't care less what it is when I see massive brakes an carbon bits here there and everywhere.

Hell watch Aus GT or follow IPRA or any other number of categories that include far more variety but attract far less media and sponsorship dollars.

I think far too many import fans are rediculously one eyed about this sort of thing. Almost as if it actually matters to them if old mate next door genuinely thinks his new SS is just like the ones on TV. And heaven forbid people LIKE the local product, which is actually pretty decent for the dollars, according to a fair few international auto journos.

Unsurprisingly the biggest racing series in Aus is based around two of the markets oldest manufacturers and very popular models with the general, spectator fee paying, audience. Pretty much as it is in most countries.

I think sometimes the biggest reasons people have an issue with V8SC is because it gives V8 fans some genuine ammo in the mine is better than yours argument which is especially hard for Skyline owners when mildly tuned new V8 offerings will keep up with and in many cases beat most similary modded imports.

Flame suit on

Straight line maybe, through corners, not so easily.

Anyway - good for the sport, its going to be funny seeing NISMO flags on top of Mt Panorama next year

[mad082]

i've always found it funny how many people who don't like v8 supercars 'because it's boring and the cars are all the same' will follow other racing categories who run under pretty much the same circumstances (different tech, but it's category control). even F1 has a lot of control tech.

as for lack of developement, i think you will find that most tin top categories around the world don't have major tech changes every year. even F1 is taking steps to control tech advances and control spending.

[MBS206]

Straight line maybe, through corners, not so easily.

Anyway - good for the sport, its going to be funny seeing NISMO flags on top of Mt Panorama next year

Go ask Mr Handley how a new VE SS in production spec handles compared to a GTR... Especially in the wet ask him...

[85URK]

I read that infiniti are going to bring cars into the australian market this year, and a new G coupe will be released in 2013 (Not sure if its for usa or here aswell) (which means a similar sedan body will also be made) and they are in talks with daimler(mercedes)to put in a 5.5L V8 into the G coupe, But is a hybrid V8 engine producing around 350BHP. maybe what we may see tuned in the series, time will tell i guess.... interesting to say the least. so much rumours and speculation floating around from this announcement. Even dick johnson was on 7 news tonight talking about the G35 sedan? so if that is somewhat true, the newest version of that maybe what nissan use as a body shell, and it looks shithot i reckon.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/06/17/car-spotlight-gt-gt-infinty-g37.aspx

[Roy]

Actually the worst thing about Nissan coming back to local tin top racing is having to read a whole new wave of muppet posts about how the GTR was banned

[mattie4270]

Look guys isnt all motor racing good?I grew up watching Bathurst in the seventies and loved it.First were the GTs and monaros,then the little weapon XU1,but what got my attenion was the seirra,wow how fast are they,see most my friends are V8 fans so i copped heaps of crap over that,but i love seeing something a bit different that puts the points on the board.Now thats why i own GTR 32,enough said!All circiut racing can be quite boring live,whether it F1,V8s or any of the european classes,as you dont see the cars for ages after they pass you and your view is normally restricted to one corner,but thats how it is.If you want better live action then you cant beat the Drags or Speedway,go watch a sprint car final at Parramatta,now thats full on.So what im getting at is the past is the past,we will never see our beloved Godzilla taking on 4cyl turbos,v8s and straight sixes,the people running the show want equality,including the media.Its happened in most classes over the world.For our population our series is very impressive,and despite what some say,the racing IS very close.I believe the more motorsport the better,no matter what class it is,now bring on 2013,GO THE NISSAN!

[badhairdave]

Faltimadores for all!

Can't find any solid info on engines regs. I've found a few articles basically stating that the current gen nissan V8's don't comply with COTF regs but can't find the source. Also the current Chev and Ford donks will be carried forward with the possibility of a spec engine.

Example:

Nissan does have a few V8s in its parts bin, two that come to mind are the 5.7-litre V8 it’s putting in the new Patrol (298kW of power and 550Nm of torque) and the 5.0-litre V8 in the Infiniti FX50 (291kW and 500Nm) but, then again, the Car of the Future rules will outlaw both engines.

Has any one else seen anything more promising?

I'm going to take benm's aussie car idea one step further.

Aussie race car chassis made a bit wider and longer, one of those boutique bike based V8's out of the Atom, fibreglass body, COTF! Fails on the safety aspect though....

[No Crust Racing]

Dan, from my iPhone

Oh snap

Straight line maybe, through corners, not so easily.

Anyway - good for the sport, its going to be funny seeing NISMO flags on top of Mt Panorama next year

Agreed, good for the sport but on your first point I gotta say WTF? Have you driven a stock standard Skyline? Even a GT-R, they are nothing special and have almost as much body roll with less compliance for Australian road conditions meaning that in many cases they actually hold a line WORSE around any corner that's not race track smooth.

Having owned and modded a GTS-T, a GT-R, and an SS I can say that on the street, you will likely never go fast enough for the chassis benefits of the imports to really make a bees dick difference - that said though the GT-R was easily the best of the 3 but also had the most superior rubber and the biggest price tag when new, so it had better be the best.

On the track is a whole different ball game because each car can then run different spring rates, tyres etc, and again the local product stands up very well. I'm no die hard V8 fan, I just like "Cars" and "Motorsport, in whatever guise. I just get my knickers in a bunch sometimes about the hatred that gets thrown at the local products and the misconception that 10year old imports with some basic bolts ons are gods gift to car enthusiasts.

If we're going to argue that Nissan is so hektik uleh because it can corner then we can also argue that they are a steaming pile of shit compared to an MX-5 or an S2000.

Go ask Mr Handley how a new VE SS in production spec handles compared to a GTR... Especially in the wet ask him...

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I read that infiniti are going to bring cars into the australian market this year, and a new G coupe will be released in 2013 (Not sure if its for usa or here aswell) (which means a similar sedan body will also be made) and they are in talks with daimler(mercedes)to put in a 5.5L V8 into the G coupe, But is a hybrid V8 engine producing around 350BHP. maybe what we may see tuned in the series, time will tell i guess.... interesting to say the least. so much rumours and speculation floating around from this announcement. Even dick johnson was on 7 news tonight talking about the G35 sedan? so if that is somewhat true, the newest version of that maybe what nissan use as a body shell, and it looks shithot i reckon.

http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/06/17/car-spotlight-gt-gt-infinty-g37.aspx

this was where my head was going too, G35 coupe? Aww yeah

[Roy]

From what I previously read about other manufacturer involvement when Toyota, Chrysler and Mercedes were supposedly sniffing around was that they can run quad cam engines etc, but will need to be tuned to be comparable to the current 5Ls. I say let them run their late model engines with the same rev limit and compression ratio restrictions. Will be real interesting to see if a multivalve engine does the job any different to a pushrod with years and years of development with a fixed CR and 7,500rev limit

[Marlin]

Actually the worst thing about Nissan coming back to local tin top racing is having to read a whole new wave of muppet posts about how the GTR was banned

Yyyyyep!

[iamhe77]

Dunno about the G35 being in COTF. Don't the cars have to be 4 door?

The current G sedan will not be launched given that it’s towards the end of its lifecycle. Instead, Infiniti Australia will wait for the new-generation G sedan which will hit the market by 2014-15

http://www.caradvice.com.au/111560/infiniti-confirmed-for-2012-launch/

[No Crust Racing]

G35 exists in sedan and coupe form.

Makes more sense to wait for the new model though.

[hrd-hr30]

i've always found it funny how many people who don't like v8 supercars 'because it's boring and the cars are all the same' will follow other racing categories who run under pretty much the same circumstances (different tech, but it's category control). even F1 has a lot of control tech.

F1's only control parts are the tyres and the plank under the floor??? I wouldn't call that "alot of control tech". There is a massive difference to having design limitations or a framework to work within and having 'control' parts.

[Roy]

There is a massive difference to having design limitations or a framework to work within and having 'control' parts.

lol, Yep, difference is about 30million a year

[phunky_monkey]

Yes and No. The great thing about GT1's other than the epic uberness of the cars is that the cars are so different. You have a big mix of V8's, V10's and V12's as well as front and mid engined cars.

The upshot is that different cars are suited to different circuits so you don't tend to find one car dominate the whole season (especially now the MC12's are gone!)

BUT - it also means that the good cars for one circuit tend to be a whole lot better than the bad cars for that circuit. So you don't end up with the whole field being around max 1s/lap different in speed which is what the Supertaxi's often can provide. Which means there often isn't a whole lot of battles going on.

That's true Snowy. Tracks where the GT40's excel, the GT-R's are slow, and vice versa. There are usually a few cars that are battling for any one position though and they always keep me captivated for the entire race, which is more than I can say for a lot of motorsport.

You make a very valid point though; For sheer closeness of racing and excitement it's tough to go past the V8's.

[benm]

The AussieRacingCars has the best "racing" by a country mile. Its like watching a 4 wheeled version of the 125cc's!! Constantly 4 wide and lead changes every lap!

[MBS206]

Exciting racing has to be the V8Brute utes.

Find a gap that's 90% the width of your car and use it to overtake...

Come out the otherside to find your car is 10% narrower...

[85URK]

This Gives you some insight into what they are going to do with the series.