N1, Vspec R32 Gtr, How Many Are In The Country?

[West]

Hi all

Since we have an Aust delivered R32 gtr thread, i'd like to know roughly how many N1, V-spec Gtr are there in the country at the moment, how many are on the water bound for Aust (if any)?

Im hoping that one day, i will own one and drive junior around the block in the weekend explaining to him how great a special straight 6 sound and how special this thing is, offcourse along with the Bathurst story of how fast it is that it has to be banned from winning too much .

I could buy a standard gtr and spend $$$ to make it a faster gtr than the N1 but it's not the same.

Anyway, if you do own one, please throw some lines, along with how does it feel like to drive one comparing to a standard gtr in term of handling, did it really have upgrade Attessa software, extra diff cooler ..... etc?

Thanks

[GTR-N1]

You've seen the "Rare Skyline Register" thread West? > Done a count?

As a 'splinter' of that, I guess you're asking a question that really can't be answered; except if someone were to start a "Sticky" on N1s - and even then, SAU won't have a full complement within that register.

Todd from JapLink Motors in fact suggested that SAU commence such a register. I think Kristian (aka Iron Chef) has had it on his mind too.

Another interesting question could be, how many N1s were sold off in Japan without them even knowing that it was an N1?

Because, believe it or not, both of these below were not recognised as N1s at sale ! ! !

They 'fell through the cracks' so to speak.

[blur]

And on the flip side how many N1s still exsist as they were destined to be racers, seems to be the most limited production version of Gtr in all the models. V Specs seem to be more common but still quite rare, especially in 32 versions. To tell you the truth my N1 doesn't feel that different to drive in stock form. Havent really driven it that far yet though, But with the larger turbines at higher boost it will go better than a stocker.

Edited April 20, 2012 by blur

[mad082]

Hi all

Since we have an Aust delivered R32 gtr thread, i'd like to know roughly how many N1, V-spec Gtr are there in the country at the moment, how many are on the water bound for Aust (if any)?

Im hoping that one day, i will own one and drive junior around the block in the weekend explaining to him how great a special straight 6 sound and how special this thing is, offcourse along with the Bathurst story of how fast it is that it has to be banned from winning too much .

I could buy a standard gtr and spend $$$ to make it a faster gtr than the N1 but it's not the same.

Anyway, if you do own one, please throw some lines, along with how does it feel like to drive one comparing to a standard gtr in term of handling, did it really have upgrade Attessa software, extra diff cooler ..... etc?

Thanks

in that case, make sure you tell him the truth, rather than the typical GTR fans story. the truth being that group A racing was already a dying category when the GTR was released, and it wasn't just australia to kill off the category (it was the end of group A racing that caused the banning of the GTR). also if they had the parity sorted from the start then the GTR wouldn't have been so dominant. so it was major flaws in the category that allowed the GTR to be so dominant (as well as the massive price difference in the cars).

sorry, just my little pet peeve of green eyed nissan fans and their conspiracy theory of australian motorsport vs the GTR

[iplen]

Why would you need to spend $$$ to make a stock Gtr quicker than an n1? In standard form there would be SFA difference, add an exhaust and pretty sure a regular one will be quicker

[West]

Because, believe it or not, both of these below were not recognised as N1s at sale ! ! !

They 'fell through the cracks' so to speak.

Damn .... couldn't Nissan Fast read the chassic number?

[West]

in that case, make sure you tell him the truth, rather than the typical GTR fans story. the truth being that group A racing was already a dying category when the GTR was released, and it wasn't just australia to kill off the category (it was the end of group A racing that caused the banning of the GTR). also if they had the parity sorted from the start then the GTR wouldn't have been so dominant. so it was major flaws in the category that allowed the GTR to be so dominant (as well as the massive price difference in the cars).

sorry, just my little pet peeve of green eyed nissan fans and their conspiracy theory of australian motorsport vs the GTR

[West]

And on the flip side how many N1s still exsist as they were destined to be racers, seems to be the most limited production version of Gtr in all the models. V Specs seem to be more common but still quite rare, especially in 32 versions. To tell you the truth my N1 doesn't feel that different to drive in stock form. Havent really driven it that far yet though, But with the larger turbines at higher boost it will go better than a stocker.

I believe the N1 deserves to be kept in original and prestine condition unless it's a full race pre that get driven in anger at the Track ... not even Drag track. I feel sad when ppl turn an N1 into a 9sec car ... such a waste.

[God_speed]

If you're serious about buying an R32 N1, I might be able to put you in touch with someone who is toying with the idea of selling theirs.

And I agree that if you are going to do a GTR up it should ideally be a non-N1, as starting with an N1 as a base won't really give you much performance advantage in comparison to the typical mods that can be done to any GTR; that is, if outright power is what you're after. If collectibility is what you're after then an N1 is the duck's guts - even if you might have to wait a decade or two before the values really take off

[shodan]

in that case, make sure you tell him the truth, rather than the typical GTR fans story. the truth being that group A racing was already a dying category when the GTR was released, and it wasn't just australia to kill off the category (it was the end of group A racing that caused the banning of the GTR). also if they had the parity sorted from the start then the GTR wouldn't have been so dominant. so it was major flaws in the category that allowed the GTR to be so dominant (as well as the massive price difference in the cars). sorry, just my little pet peeve of green eyed nissan fans and their conspiracy theory of australian motorsport vs the GTR

True- the Cosworth Sierras (and others) with their lack of parity were already signalling the demise of Australian Group A, the R32 was simply the last nail.

It's a pity really- I used to thoroughly enjoy the mix'n'match of the old series rather than super-parity-taxi vs super-parity-taxi........

[zebra]

Group A was dead before the GTR even hit the track

The cars it was racing against were all 3-4 years older than the R32

So given 1 or 2 more years the 4wd Escort Cosworths, EVO Lancers and a few other cars would have wiped the floor with the GTR

So yeah...the GTR was a good race car...when it was racing cars a lot older than it.

[NISMO]

Group A was dead before the GTR even hit the track

The cars it was racing against were all 3-4 years older than the R32

So given 1 or 2 more years the 4wd Escort Cosworths, EVO Lancers and a few other cars would have wiped the floor with the GTR

So yeah...the GTR was a good race car...when it was racing cars a lot older than it.

Sorry dude, but thats a far stretch isn't it?

The R32 continued development in the japan JGTC well after group A and the cars were similar spec (Grp A and JGTC) so you could argue the AUS Grp A cars would have conitnued along the same lines.

It also continued to dominate while it was racing, and EVO's had every chance to "wipe the floor" with them for many years after Grp A but didn't.

Under the GT1 rules, GTR's won every championship they entered, including the R33 in 95. In 96 when the GT500 rules were introduced a McLaren F1 won, the first non GTR since their introduction, and only after a rule change.

So yeah...the GTR was a good race car...when it was racing... well when it was racing anything really

Back on topic - off hand i know of about 5 32 N1's in Aus.

[zebra]

Fair call but look what they were racing against

a few privateers in RX7s, old GTS-Rs and old Porkas

and was the only AWD car in the field

[mad082]

Sorry dude, but thats a far stretch isn't it?

The R32 continued development in the japan JGTC well after group A and the cars were similar spec (Grp A and JGTC) so you could argue the AUS Grp A cars would have conitnued along the same lines.

It also continued to dominate while it was racing, and EVO's had every chance to "wipe the floor" with them for many years after Grp A but didn't.

Under the GT1 rules, GTR's won every championship they entered, including the R33 in 95. In 96 when the GT500 rules were introduced a McLaren F1 won, the first non GTR since their introduction, and only after a rule change.

So yeah...the GTR was a good race car...when it was racing... well when it was racing anything really

Back on topic - off hand i know of about 5 32 N1's in Aus.

unless it was in the GT production classes where it had to run somewhat stock and then they generally got shat all over by the porsches and ferraris.

and to anyone that says "yeah but they cost twice as much....." well the GTR cost twice as much as most of the cars it was beating, so your argument is invalid.

had the ford sierras been running wider tyres they would've taken the fight to the GTR. they were putting out similar power, but only RWD and running a 9" wide tyre vs the 11" wide tyre of the GTR.

[GTR-N1]

Back on topic - off hand i know of about 5 32 N1's in Aus.

...and punching above our Aussie weight, about 5-6 R34 N1s

[West]

...and punching above our Aussie weight, about 5-6 R34 N1s

I remember reading an article on Wheels mag when they test/compare a white R34N1 vs a Holden Monaro and the R34 kills it in every possible way. Would be interesting to see in a decade or two how much both car will be worth ......

I rarely see a Monaro on the road these day, is it because most owners have them stored? Regardless its a shitbox anyway, a commodore that has been chopped into half (hiding from Hsv lovers now) !!!

[West]

If you're serious about buying an R32 N1, I might be able to put you in touch with someone who is toying with the idea of selling theirs.

I'm toying with the idea of buying one too, gotta get rid of the X5 first .... what's the ball bark figure that he/she is after?

[blur]

Totally agree with you West! Just answering the op question. I have all the stock parts for my car now, along with the full service history so it won't be modified. Much better off starting with a standard car saving the money in the price difference and modifying!

[God_speed]

unless it was in the GT production classes where it had to run somewhat stock and then they generally got shat all over by the porsches and ferraris.

and to anyone that says "yeah but they cost twice as much....." well the GTR cost twice as much as most of the cars it was beating, so your argument is invalid.

had the ford sierras been running wider tyres they would've taken the fight to the GTR. they were putting out similar power, but only RWD and running a 9" wide tyre vs the 11" wide tyre of the GTR.

Interesting points; I thought the R32 Group A car had to have narrower tyres though, because it was 4WD? The GpA R32 met all of the rules that stood at the time, so you just have to hand it to Nissan Japan for developing a car that pushed the envelope of the existant rules at the time, and then give credit to Gibson Motorsport for taking the car further (to a point where Fred himself has modestly said that the car "didn't resemble what they got from Japan" - the impression we get is that the Japanese were actually trying to learn from Gibson's setup and running changes / improvements to the car). The point you make that the Sierra and VL/VN and some other models were maybe 0.5+ generations behind is valid, but surely that just heaps more praise on the Nissan designers for making a car that was considerably ahead of its time?

It then follows that the R33 and R34 were evolutions of the R32 but didn't significantly move the game on.

w.r.t. the GT production class, out of interest do you know what spec (e.g. power) the R32 was running against the Porsches and Ferraris?

We shouldn't kid ourselves that the GT-R is by any means a perfect car that'll beat anything and everything. There's a lot of conjecture surrounding the GT-R, but I think the race results speak for themselves (regardless of rule changes or what generation everything else was at the time). The speculation and debate surrounding the car just adds to the mystique though I think, and it's that mystique that gives the car a lot of its desirability beyond just bang for your buck value.

Edited April 24, 2012 by God_speed

[zebra]

ye, Freddo's car was awesome...so much so that Nissan said gtfo when they wanted to take the Winfield GTR to Japan lol

The thing that Irks me a little is that Nissan went and built a 4wd car for grp.A which took advantage of the lack of rules regarding 4WD in the series

The Sierrra guys could have run larger tyres, but they couldnt fit under the standard guards

The Group A rules were horrid unless a car was specifically build for them

eg the MA71 Turbo A Supra's brilliant cars, but due to the 3L engine had to run 150-200kgs heavier than the other cars, it was even keel on power with the Sierra's and had 12" wide wheels all around, but the weight and lack of support from toyota (were TRD built cars, but the teams were left to their own devices after that)

The Shell Sierra's were faster than their European counterparts.

Aussies know how to build fast tin tops

Brock took a Brocky door to Monza for the 24hr race and blitzed everything until the gearbox failed

The other thing people forget is how much money Freddo threw at the GTR, look at the GIO GTR, it was no where near as quick

Grp.A was the series where the biggest Wallet would win, which is what killed the formula world wide