N1, Vspec R32 Gtr, How Many Are In The Country?

[God_speed]

Aussies know how to build fast tin tops

Brock took a Brocky door to Monza for the 24hr race and blitzed everything until the gearbox failed

That was with Moffat wasn't it? A rare partnership between the two...

The other thing people forget is how much money Freddo threw at the GTR, look at the GIO GTR, it was no where near as quick

Grp.A was the series where the biggest Wallet would win, which is what killed the formula world wide

Good point; but I'd add that it couldn't have just been big wallets but also big brains too... Like Adrian Newey's design and technical genuis in F1. Ceilings imposed on testing or budget notwithstanding, Ferrari haven't been so competitive in recent years despite their truckloads of cash, and who could forget the amount of money Toyota spent on their F1 campaign?

[zebra]

I do believe it was Moffat and someone else too I think

and yes brains are very much a part of it, and slightly related to that (kinda) is the Japanese car builders generally just use off the shelf parts (still to this day) havea look at their time attack events, 99% of the time the cars just run expensive standard replacement parts, that dont address the natural flaws in design

which is why the GMS GTR's were so much faster than the GTR's in japan, I'm sure you have looked under the GMS GTR before...it doesnt look very GTRish does it lol

Same goes for the DJR Sierra's, whilst in Europe and the UK the cars were making 450-500hp and running standard gearboxes and 7" wide wheels etc

the Cars out here went to hell with that idea and fitted Hollingers, 9" wide wheels, changed all the suspension, squeezed another 100hp from the motor etc etc

I would have loved to see some of the Aussie cars take it to the Japanese, I haev a feeling the Japanese teams would have had their ass handed to them by Commodores lol

That imo wouldve been due to the Japanese being rather protective of their own (see Nissan saying no to Freddo) which doesnt allow developement, same goes their current GT series, if you want to run a porsche or Ferrari in GT300 then expect to have 11ty billion more restrictions on your car compared to the Japanese cars

Where as out here we learnt, and learnt real fast when the likes of TWR, Nissan Works, and some Euros (Eddenberger Sierras anyone?!?!) came out for Bathurst and blew everyone away for a couple of years

[mad082]

Interesting points; I thought the R32 Group A car had to have narrower tyres though, because it was 4WD? The GpA R32 met all of the rules that stood at the time, so you just have to hand it to Nissan Japan for developing a car that pushed the envelope of the existant rules at the time, and then give credit to Gibson Motorsport for taking the car further (to a point where Fred himself has modestly said that the car "didn't resemble what they got from Japan" - the impression we get is that the Japanese were actually trying to learn from Gibson's setup and running changes / improvements to the car). The point you make that the Sierra and VL/VN and some other models were maybe 0.5+ generations behind is valid, but surely that just heaps more praise on the Nissan designers for making a car that was considerably ahead of its time?

It then follows that the R33 and R34 were evolutions of the R32 but didn't significantly move the game on.

w.r.t. the GT production class, out of interest do you know what spec (e.g. power) the R32 was running against the Porsches and Ferraris?

We shouldn't kid ourselves that the GT-R is by any means a perfect car that'll beat anything and everything. There's a lot of conjecture surrounding the GT-R, but I think the race results speak for themselves (regardless of rule changes or what generation everything else was at the time). The speculation and debate surrounding the car just adds to the mystique though I think, and it's that mystique that gives the car a lot of its desirability beyond just bang for your buck value.

it was an r33 GTR, and it would've been somewhat stock, as that is what the regulations required. i think you could make changes to exhausts, suspension and tyres, but that was about it. possibly ecu, but the motor had to be stock.

as for the GTR itself, yes nissan did a good job of engineering it. they basically read the group A rule book front to back, then made a car that pushed the limit of every rule, even down to what size engine they used altering what size tyres they could run. this is why the GTR cost about 100k to buy, when the top model HSV cost about half that. nissan didn't really care if they didn't sell that many (which was the case with the ADM GTRs). they just wanted to win races. which they are entilted to do if they want. then coupled with a race team that was spending much more money than the other teams, and pretty crappy parity, had the GTR not one then there would've been something wrong. put simply, if group A was a majory category these days, with the level of parity that all other major categories have, the GTR wouldn't be anywhere near as successful as it was back then.

[kbnr-32]

http://www.skylinesaustralia.com/forums/topic/398811-r32-gtr-v-spec-1093-for-sale-very-original-65k/

Selling my VSPEC - Original condition if anyone is interested

[Iron Chef]

Ok what did I miss??

[CrimsonLey]

Why'd you guys suddenly stop talking? Good read here.

Those N1s still in Oz? I've been seriously thinking about picking up a BNR32 N1 with intention to drive quickly.

[blur]

Mines still in Aus, don't think its going anywhere in a hurry, been waiting 10 years to get one. Trying to upload pics, will have to resize them first. Are you looking to import an BNR32 N1? Cause they are hard to find, even with a pile of cash in your pocket. Good luck with the search!

[R32N1]

Believe that this is 4-5mill yen. Not stock, which reduces some of its value and it also has had the speedo changed. So you really have no idea how many k's its done.

http://ucar.carview.yahoo.co.jp/model/nissan/skyline-gtr/CU0003514755/