Looking at building a 11sec R33, This may help you

[RNS11Z]

Merli i will try and source you a pic. We were all abit confused when we took the GT30 off and noticed the manifold split into 2. Thats were i modified it, extended it and created a new flange for the t88 to sit on.

Adrian: you know the difference yourself between how good rubber and bad rubber can affect you. But as always the driver does play a major part in how the car performs.

[help]

Maybe he should have named the post how to make enough power to run a ten second pass!!! He was making similar power to the early subzero cars that were running tens, fair enough he wasn't running an auto and full slicks. But the potential was there to run good times every day of the week. It was only problems that kept him from running the times. It is all about potential!!!!

I have seen the car go on the street and man it moved, the diffrence between his build and say 2rismo is when the bottle run's out standard wrx's are giving you a run for you're money.

Hey Huran, I never got to hook up with you're boy goran, but I found someone that has really made the car a diffrent car. It made 386rwhp at 17 pound on a very light tune, so things are looking up. Sorry to hear the car got killed

[2rismo]

when the bottle run's out standard wrx's are giving you a run for you're money.

I think you're smoking some fairly powerful shit, my old son

Adrian

[Merli]

It was only problems that kept him from running the times. It is all about potential!!!!

What a ridiculous thing to say.

So you'd be happy with the Habib Barbie to go and build a quad rotor twin turbo PINK BMW and claim it's got 500,000 hp and the potential to do 4 second quarters????

Fcuk actually going to the track then. Lets close down WSID, cos actually drag racing is a waste of time. We already know what all the cars can theoretically do because we know what power they make. I'll just put my car on the dyno and it "has the potential to do 10s"... Why waste time and money actually doing it? Everyone KNOWS it has the potential to do it...

I'll answer that for you actualy. Why do it? Because there's a WORLD of difference in making the power capable of doing a pass, and actually setting up your car and having the skill to pilot it down the 400m for that 10 second pass.

It's not just about making the power. It's about launching the car perfectly, changing gears properly (not as straight forward as you might think), getting the right suspension settings, getting the right tyre choice, MAKING THE CAR RELIABLE so it can do the 10 second pass without smashing the gearbox, snapping a driveshaft, teething a differential, blowing the engine, etc etc... and most importantly: HAVING THE SKILL TO ACTUALLY DO IT. No point in having 500hp if you can't drive for sh1t.

Cliffnotes:

[Merli]

Merli i will try and source you a pic. We were all abit confused when we took the GT30 off and noticed the manifold split into 2. Thats were i modified it, extended it and created a new flange for the t88 to sit on.

Yeah for sure... That would have been a surprise to see a split exhaust manifold... Could it have been a Trust exhaust manifold or are you sure it was custom?

Pics would be great The only thing this thread is missing

[R31Nismoid]

Maybe he should have named the post how to make enough power to run a ten second pass!!! He was making similar power to the early subzero cars that were running tens, fair enough he wasn't running an auto and full slicks.

Fair enough it was auto and on drag slicks?

So true, there wouldnt be ANY advantage that at all now would there?

:confused:

You bring full drag slicks and a 3 speed auto into the equation then you've changed the ball-game entirely

[RNS11Z]

Merli: To me it looked custom but then again it could have been some jap type. Basically when all pipes joined there was a splitter inside (Joind to a rectanuglar shaped box which extended for approx 2-3inchs. I could be wrong on the measurements as im only guessing from what i can remem). 3 pipes to one side of the spliter, the other 3 pipes to the other side of the splitter. The splitter had a few holes in it aswell. Not too many but about half a dozen id say. It spun me out for a while but i came to the conclusion that this would be designed to even out the airflow on both sides of the splitter.

Thats all the info i have. When the engine comes out the Skyline i will try to take a pic of it for you.

Funny thing is, when my car was running right i never had the chance to take it to the track and when i did always for some reason something would stop me from running a good time.

In term of reliability it was always reliable. Only problem it had was with the microtech playing up and the exhaust manifold gasket always sh!tting it self. Could never fix that problem.

[help]

My point was everyone jumped on harun for saying that his post title was incorrect to to the fact that he hadn't run the times. Most of you guys that know of the car or have read the progress of the car know he had a heap of problems getting it down the track in one piece. My point was not that the with the amount of power the car was making it would have been quite possible to run an 11 second pass all things in working order, and that includes launch, gear changes. You guys all use the track as the measure of a car, yet how many times a week do you drive the car on the track. On the street is where most people make their name, if a car runs a ten second pass then everyone wants a pice of him/her on the street, can you see my point. To the guy with the NOS, I apologise my last statement it was a bit ordinary. I would love to run a 11second pass as you have, and am making very similar power to huran's car but every time I get the car ready to run something happens. No offence intended. Does both my and huran's have the potencial to run the times, I think yes. You guys tend to jump down peoples throats with the "you ain't nothing to you run the time." they run the time and all of a sudden the arms open and everyone want to give you a pat on the back. huran's car had been making big power for a long time and things didn't come together for whatever reason, I just see no need to jump down his throat. If I were a newbie (I am in posts but not in waht I have gone through with my car) I would have found the post really informative, cause there was a heap of good information with totally diffrent set-ups.

[2rismo]

Paragraphs dude, jeebus!!!

I don't think he should've taken it as jumping down his throat but in all honesty, you aint nuthin' till you've run the times. Sorry mate but I agree totally with Merli in that power is nothing if you cant get it sorted and/or lack the skill to pedal the car fast enough down the strip.

Sorry if i've offended anyone, in particular Harun but i totally stand by what i've said.

Adrian

[R31Nismoid]

I think you live your life a 1/4 mile at a time adrian

[RNS11Z]

No offence taken Adrian. Each to there own. If you believe this thread wont help people in how to build an 11sec car then so be it.

As i stated in the threads title 'this may help you', in your case it doesnt as you have already run into the 11s. If you could post how you managed to do it, it could help others.

The reason why i started this thread was because there are alot of people who would like to achieve such power figures to run such times (being the 11s). I mearly stated what i did to try and achieve an 11sec pass which was achievable though, i didnt due to a few factors halting the vehicle from running the times eg. traction issue and leaking exhaust gasket and intercooler hose.

Most people that make over 300rwkw dont give specs out or always hide something. I got nothing to hide in what i did. As you can see the car was only making 345rwhp (approx 250rwk) on 24psi. Yet with only 20psi it went 120mph. If you count every psi being 10hp thats 305rwhp (approx 230rwkw) to do 120mph, which theoretically means its capable of an 11sec with the right run.

Ben from Hi performance imports Went 11.9 @ 118-119mph with 290rwkw. This is just to compare traction and no traction. But as much as i know, you know that i would have run an 11 should i have used better tyres. Therefore forget the fact i didnt do an 11 and please put forward some useful info in how other could go that far and what you achieved to do an 11sec pass

Harun

[Merli]

Firstly, his name is Harun dammit, not Huran.

You guys tend to jump down peoples throats with the "you ain't nothing to you run the time." they run the time and all of a sudden the arms open and everyone want to give you a pat on the back.

Secondly, no-one jumped down his throat, we were just pointing out that it was a curious choice of thread title.

And YES, we suddenly go all arms wide open and pat people on their backs when they run the times. I've already explained why, but obviously it didn't get through to you. I'll try one more time.

Why do we suddenly lavish people with praise and adulation when they run the times they should be running? Because we know the difference between saying "My car is capable of running 10s" and actually doing it. It's a HUGE difference, and when people finally run the times their cars are capable of, we all know what they went through in achieving that, and not sitting on their asses in front of their computer and typing crap like "What's the problem bro? We all know my car makes enough power to do 10s bro!!!"

Harun took his car to the drags twice and encountered problems both times that stopped him from running the car to it's potential. Doesn't that speak volumes about why we are so supportive of those who stick it out and go back time after time and finally sort out their problems and run the time instead of going:

"Oh fcuk it.... Too many problems. My car made 600hp on the dyno. That's good enough for 10s."

[Messiah]

ok merli, i can see where yr both coming from but one thing i do have to raise...

the post is titled "how to build an XX sec car" not "how to build a car capable of XX sec and drive it to acheive said time".

So what he advertised is theoriticaly correct (if a little obscure).

A question if i may. if you were to take the above car, with any of its above tunings, do you think you could drive it to an 11sec 400m?

You cant cater for the driver in a post like this all you can do is outline what the car has and what figures it pulls up. Otherwise he'd need to say things like "the above in conjunction with an 80kg driver and a clutch slip rate of Y squared should get your launch to blah, change at the following points and hazzah"

What he has said is "heres a car that made lotsa power, with a useable power band, one that i'm pretty certain would do 11's if i didnt use blu tak to hold my piping joins in place and drive like a granny" or sommin to that extent.

Just think of in people, instead of saying "HE never did the time" try looking at it as "he COULDNT do the time, but could i do it in that car".

I bet you could tell if a time was acheiveable by looking at a dyno sheet merli, well atleast you'd be able to tell when its not, and that leaves all other times as possible. Sure a dyno isnt the same as a time, but it is IMHO a bit of paper that says "it seems to have the power to do it".

More info on the setup would have been better tho. shocks stiffness rebound tyre type etc etc would have fitted in well an allowed people to say "ahh i see you went wrong there old chap, you should have painted it RED"

So in closing, the dyno will show you if its possible, the tuning will make it acheivable, and a good driver will make it a reality.

or to put it anotherway.... if i were to take 2rismos's proven 13sec-off-the-bottle car and drive it crap, say hi 15's does it stop being a 13 sec car, or am i just not a 13sec driver?

[2rismo]

or to put it anotherway.... if i were to take 2rismos's proven 13sec-off-the-bottle car and drive it crap, say hi 15's does it stop being a 13 sec car, or am i just not a 13sec driver?

This is the crux of the argument.

TO ANSWER:

It would still be a 13 second car as it's done it at least once.

OR:

Once a car has run XX.XX seconds, it is an XX.XX second car. That is the only time that you can call it one.

If a car has NOT RUN XX.XX, IT IS NOT AN XX.XX second CAR!!!

Adrian

[RBVS]

why do people keep posting up arguments to comments made by others?

i think you should only post up if you have somthing to offer on how to make a skyline do 11seconds

[BU5TER]

because people are full of shit and thats coming from a someone that HAS ran a few 11 sec passes with excuses and f*ck all traction as to why they weren't high 10 sec passes, but I would rather not race then claim a time the car hasn't done or ever call my car a 10 sec car before it does run a few 10 sec passes thats if It ever does

And I don't agree with the fact that a power figure can tell us what a car is capable of as a peak power figure doesn't mean sh*t

Though its great of Harun to be so open with everyone with his setup and power figures

[Sydneykid]

Hi Harun, do you think the power drop off at high rpm is due to camshafts?

[RNS11Z]

I never stated my car did an 11sec pass or WAS a 11sec car. How ever saying it is capable of doing an 11 is something different and not so easy to do. Though the process i went through is a step to what is needed to do a 11sec pass. As the title says 'looking at building a 11sec r33, THIS MAY HELP YOU'. I have not stated at all that the process i took will gaurentee you an 11sec pass but with the right set up you possibly could do an 11sec. I failed. No ifs, no buts, no excuses. It can be done. Im just trying to help. Stop complaining about who said whose car does this or that. Just put some useful info down.

Sydneykid: Yes we (we being my mechanic and tuner) believe the power drop off was due to using standard cams. I did have plans to change them eventually though i sold the car before i did.

[Garage Menace]

C'mon guys.

Arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics... You may win, but you are still retarded.

[Sydneykid]

Sydneykid: Yes we (we being my mechanic and tuner) believe the power drop off was due to using standard cams. I did have plans to change them eventually though i sold the car before i did.

This is not a trick question, or a nasty one either. It's just that I get a lot of guys who say that on a turbo car doing camshaft upgrades is too hard, isn't worth it, only makes 10 rwkw difference, a bigger turbo (for the same cost) makes 20 rwkw more, don't know how, you have to do valve springs and followers whenever you do a cam (not true), makes the car lumpy, looses power down low etc etc.

The car came with a lot of quality mods and you did quite a few yourself, but no camshaft upgrade in either case. I just gotta ask, why?