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rev210 Grand Master

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Scapula should be directly over top of the bar, arms vertical, bar in the middle of your foot (which will usually find it resting against your shin/ankle). Pretty much what I recall his deadlift guide explaining.

Yeah that's all fine but, you need plenty more than that once it gets heavy (and a coach too) There are also some exceptions to bar position and not every one has to scape or rest on shins.

Food for thought , Magnussen in this one doesn't start the way everyone will but, his mechanical form for 'his' body is hard to fault given the world record he just broke. Should you lift exactly in the same way and position like Magnussen? Sure if you are built exactly like him...

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Had a decent day at the recent GPC comp in Melbourne. Went 6 for 6 on squats and deads but botched my bench press... again... only getting my opener, which was 10kg down on my gym pb (150kg) I set a w

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rev210 Grand Master

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I don't see why someone would need a coach if they could follow basic methods by knowledgable people.

You don't need a coach if you would like to be ordinary and are happy with a percentage of what you are really capable of potentially. Patting yourself on the back for working it all out yourself is ok but, getting closer to your limits with encouragement and wisdom from others is also rewarding.

A coach is basically someone knowledgable and more importantly 'wise' ,who can spend some time looking at your individual situation to advise you. They help you to become a 'great you'.

You can get some coaching electronically now, thanks to video etc.

Birds Grand Master

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I would think the fact that all Olympic and elite lifters have coaches, means that there is a requirement for it when you get to a certain level...else plateau or be more susceptible to injury. The difference may not be that much, but hey, competition at the elite level is won with inches (insert Al Pacino's speech here).

From slavery to hypnotism, the human body has always been more capable being told what to do, than left to it's own devices.

TTT Grand Master

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You end up developing bad habbits without someone watching you and giving feedback.

No matter how careful you are.

Even on this forum.. take Nick for example.

he'd been lifting for years.

he did his first comp.

squat 170 with knees caving in badly

bench 110??

deadlift 180 - struggling.

He's since been training at PTC with others who offer advice and coaching and Markos doing so too..

last comp weighing 88kg (2kg less than the fist comp nick??)

sq 210

b 135

d 240

During this same period..

I've gone from

s 190

b 110

d 220

to

s 190 failed twice last night

b not benching - shoulder/elbow probs

d struggled with 205 and failed 210

Nick is 5 years younger but we are about the same height, weight, baldness.

If you think that you could be in any way competetive or in anyway as good as you can be without a good coach you're dreaming.

NickR33 Grand Master

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lol @ baldness

first comp was 160/110/190 at about 86kg

to be fair I did get the deadlift wrong on the day (never used a decent bar and chalk before), probably had 200 in me... but still I've managed to put 40kg on my DL since then

squat has improved 50kg... some of that can be attributed to knee wraps, some to strength increase and some to improved technique

bench has improved by 22.5kg... much of this is due to improved technique

I've put on about 3 kg but am a little bit leaner

without a doubt coaching plays a huge part... as does watching guys better than you train and using top notch equipment

Max is doing all my programming leading up to Nationals... I just rock up and ask what's on for the day

NickR33 Grand Master

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lol I don't think so... but I'm trying

how's your back holding up? what's the deal with your shoulder/elbow, just tendonitis or something more sinister?

I don't know how you do max work on your own... no spotters, nobody to wrap your knees, nobody watch your form... nobody to turn AC/DC up

a big advantage for me at States was training on the same equipment that was used for the comp... I practiced a lot using the mono/squat bar and on the Forza bench

TTT Grand Master

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Elbow issue is a combo of tennis and golfers elbow. Lol. Tendonitis of some sort. Shoulder is an ongoing rotator cuff thing.

Back is an odd one. It can be painful picking up a shoe and yet be ok deadlifting.

Since the last time I hurt it I've slowly got back to where it is now so it is what it is.

The last 2 weeks I've been going to ptc bne for my squat sessions.

just to use the mono and 35mm bar.

still wrapping myself. I'm scared of Scott doing it. Lol.

but going in for openers in full outfit on Monday so will have him wrap me for the last couple.

rev210 Grand Master

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Elbow issue is a combo of tennis and golfers elbow. Lol. Tendonitis of some sort. Shoulder is an ongoing rotator cuff thing.

If it's sort of both you might find a small amount of bursitis, try pressing around the elbow where you can feel the tendons next to the bone. The golfer elbow is common to find on one arm. Often it will be because of the strength and flexibillity of the forearm muscles, a lagging wrist/arm will then get slight contortion under loads with bar work causing the mechanical issues in the lift that lead to strain. I have had an accident related similar set of issues. I am still looking at months of rehab, I actually have to stop everything completely to complete it.

Back is an odd one. It can be painful picking up a shoe and yet be ok deadlifting.

Since the last time I hurt it I've slowly got back to where it is now so it is what it is.

It's probably just posture if you are a desk jockey.

The last 2 weeks I've been going to ptc bne for my squat sessions.

just to use the mono and 35mm bar.

still wrapping myself. I'm scared of Scott doing it. Lol.

but going in for openers in full outfit on Monday so will have him wrap me for the last couple.

Wrapping is supposed to hurt I thought , why bother otherwise? Just wear the knee tubes.

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NickR33 Grand Master

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Elbow issue is a combo of tennis and golfers elbow. Lol. Tendonitis of some sort. Shoulder is an ongoing rotator cuff thing.

Back is an odd one. It can be painful picking up a shoe and yet be ok deadlifting.

Since the last time I hurt it I've slowly got back to where it is now so it is what it is.

The last 2 weeks I've been going to ptc bne for my squat sessions.

just to use the mono and 35mm bar.

still wrapping myself. I'm scared of Scott doing it. Lol.

but going in for openers in full outfit on Monday so will have him wrap me for the last couple.

I had something similar in my left elbow for ages... but it went away on its own so I can't help you there!

glad your back is holding up to regular deadlifting, you can train around a bad elbow but training around a bad lower back is difficult

I get pain in both rotator cuffs when I do a lot of pressing... it usually subsides just in time for me to press again... sometimes I just train trough it... overhead pressing flares it up worse than bench though

you could go 200+ with some nice tight wrapping... get Scott to do it, damn the pain! hehe

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Ah I don't think so. Can you name a single olympic or competition lifter who doesn't have a coach?

Are you saying coaching is a waste of time?

Not at all, I'm saying achieving Markos' basics in strength shouldn't need coaching if you are dedicated and know how to read. You said when it starts to get heavy, I just asked when that was as to warrant a coach.

Coaching is definitely warranted. PTC frankston doesn't have so many record holders out of luck.

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