Starting Problem Help Asap

[R33ram]

hi,

Car is a R33 gtst series 1

Car has been starting ok last few days with around about the 3/4 crank to start when cold

yesterday felt abit sluggish to start and similar today...

so i replaced the battery as had one good condition on the side..

as soon as i replaced it just dies and makes a ticking type noise from the engine..

so i put my old one back in and same thing again...so im guessing its no my battery as now it just doesnt even crank over but everything lights up..

have a power fc which says my voltage on 12.9 with everythging on but drops to 8/10v now wen turnoing the key and before was around 10/11v when trying to start..

could it be my starter or altenator...

im thinking starter...

its no even clicking over or turning....

any ideas cause need to know to get it fixed...

Edited August 21, 2012 by R33ram

[Challenger Vanto]

it's probably your starter motor drawing too much current, check the resistance in your wiring harness and check condition of wiring and earths

[R33ram]

i tryed jumper cables with another car and still dead slightly turned for a split second and then nothing just dead but,so im guessing not the battery is ok and defintley not the alternator cause doesnt get used to start the car but charge on start.....

[89CAL]

O.K so was the jump car running when you tried to start the dead car?

When you say it turned for a second then stopped, was that the engine cranking or just the starter spinning?

If the car is in a spot where it is possible to do so, can you try and push start it? Get the thing running for a little bit then stop it and try to start it again.

If you can do this and it still wont start, something is going wrong with the starter, either the wiring or the starter itself is on the way out or already gone. So If this is the case I would check wiring first then if that looks all good then you might need a new starter. Check the resistance along the wire and see if its low enough (I wont give you an exact value, just report back) and check the resistance between the starter ground and the chassis to see if its low enough, again just report back

10-11v while the key is turned is enough to crank the engine over and indicates the battery is still O.K (without doing further testing)

Was the new battery you tried right for the job? was it the right CCA etc?

[Tommy Kaira RL]

If it's dropping to 8/10v then it's your battery. They dont like cold weather. The other battery you tried is most probably dead also. You can still have 12v on the battery if it's nearly flat. It just wont be able to flow the current needed to start it.

Jump starting dosent always work if your leads are too thin. It wont get the current into the battery and it will have more volt drop.

Try as suggested and push start it or borrow a new battery.

Not using your car all the time can shorten the life of a battery. Aswell as having one sit in the shed doing nothing

[R33ram]

The jumper starting car was started and running when the jumper cables where on mine..reved the car up a bit few min and left it running for a good 10min.

when to crank it over and just made like krrr krrr krr sound from somewhere in the engine and then just click click second time i turned the key then nothing at all bugger all.

Just before i put my battery on charger for a good hour or so and the again went to crank it over and nothing just that sound krrr krr krrr and a lil click and dead no sound again when trying to crank it over...and not even a enigine crank at all nothing just those sounds and thats it but then just does nothing like turning the key and silence.

ill check the wire to see and that if anything is going wrong..

[R33ram]

tryed agian and all it does is a loud clicking noise from starter or somewhere there...does it mean its gone?

[89CAL]

try push starting it or at least rotate the engine slightly. I've had starters jam in position and not want to start. Worth a try before yanking the starter out

[R33ram]

tryed that still nothing,made a lil slight turn but then clicking again....

[R33ram]

are the series 1 same as series 2 for starter motors or different?????

[B-Boi34]

You will need to charge your battery for a few hours an hour probably wont do anything.

I had an issue like that in my Swift. The starter motor would get stuck & then would just make a clicking sound.

Try putting the car in gear & then pushing it or rocking it just to get the motor to turn otherwise get a long breaker bar & tap the starter motor.

Hope this helps

[Tommy Kaira RL]

Most battery chargers are 4Ah so it will take 20 hours to charge a 100Ah battery. I would be swaping for a new battery. It souds like at first the battery just has enough grunt to pull the contact in on the starter motor and tries to turn it then it drains the battery real quick. That is when you get the clicking.

It has enough guts to pull the contact in then it dies from the extra load on the battery at this time and repeats itself

[Race__24]

Take both the batteries in to a battery place and get them to test the CCA on each. You'll be sure either way then.

[R33ram]

All good guys changed it to a new one/starter and first crank started plus got to fix the hoses leaking water as the starter was why i couldnt see the leak were it was coming from..so got 2 things fixed for one ..

thanks for ya help guys.