R35 Gtr Air Flow Meter The New Z32 Afm

[Super Drager]

I know for a fact a single Z32 AFM is good to 330-350rwkw. Only thing i would replace it with would maybe be a ford Lightning MAF.

[MagicMikeZ32]

Most I have seen (in aus) in a z32, with single z32 afm was 330kw, which maxed out afm voltage.

Heard a rumor that running te afm backwards can increase power and response as it doubles the max voltage

[GTScotT]

Most I have seen (in aus) in a z32, with single z32 afm was 330kw, which maxed out afm voltage.

Heard a rumor that running te afm backwards can increase power and response as it doubles the max voltage

Please tell everyone how that works?

[GTSBoy]

Pixie dust.

[MagicMikeZ32]

Sorry, couldn't find the sarcasm smiley

[Super Drager]

http://www.aus300zx.com/forum/showthread.php?t=276804

[MagicMikeZ32]

I think this is the key (a2zed has built more vg's than anyone)

I have seen 1 300zx with the maf fitted backwards, it ran terrible, was ok at idle and wot, cruise was all over the place.

I would run 2 mafs on everything if I was given a choice. Sure they might not be a restriction up to 500hp, but the better the free flow of air supply is, the better the engine performs. Peak hp counts for squat, it is how it gets there that matters. A single maf may make 500hp ok on the dyno but when was the last time you raced a dyno at the traffic light GP.

[1400r]

I know for a fact a single Z32 AFM is good to 330-350rwkw. Only thing i would replace it with would maybe be a ford Lightning MAF.

whats your point? this isn't a thread for people running a z32 afm on there z32's

this is about people who fit z32 afm's to other cars and have some idle/stalling issues with 35 afm seeming to be the solution for Japanese tuners

if z32's had issues running z32 afm's nissan would have failed hard with that car........................

[GTSBoy]

Wow. Defensive much? His comment was abotu how much a NORMAL Z32 AFM was good for, and so what sort of sense (or lack thereof) was contained in the claimed possible power rating of the R35 in 4" pipe.

I shake my head sometimes. Seriously.

[Super Drager]

Wow. Defensive much? His comment was abotu how much a NORMAL Z32 AFM was good for, and so what sort of sense (or lack thereof) was contained in the claimed possible power rating of the R35 in 4" pipe.

I shake my head sometimes. Seriously.

Exactly. Couldn't have said it better myself.

[1400r]

I must be missing what your both trying to say?

I can only guess your saying there's no point going 35 afm cause z32 is capable of reading higher output in 3 inch?

missing the whole reversion issue that some people have cause with "your" setup your not having issues one car because it's a frign z32

http://forum.r31skylineclub.com/index.php?topic=155168.0

might be time to close the thread again lol

Edited March 26, 2013 by 1400r

[GTSBoy]

No. Trying to say that the estimate provided in an (slightly) earlier post about what the R35 core in 4" pipe should be capable of measuring is probably wrong, given what a Z32 can measure.

/rocket surgery.

[1400r]

they have nothing to do with each other being a completely different sensor so knowing what one will do wont help with the other

testing will result in the answer you could probably calculate it from what voltage the 35 was seeing at 310rwkw in the 4 inch pipe

same as you could probably calculate it from what it is able to read in 3 inch setup inch (runs out of voltage around 300rwkw)

will post these results if I can be bothered getting them

Edited March 27, 2013 by 1400r

[MagicMikeZ32]

If you want to sell them, it might be in your best interests...

[GTSBoy]

they have nothing to do with each other being a completely different sensor so knowing what one will do wont help with the other

testing will result in the answer you could probably calculate it from what voltage the 35 was seeing at 310rwkw in the 4 inch pipe

same as you could probably calculate it from what it is able to read in 3 inch setup inch (runs out of voltage around 300rwkw)

will post these results if I can be bothered getting them

That is just wrong and you know it. Start with what is known. The Z32 is in a 3" pipe and can measure 300=rwkW. The R35 starts out in a pipe that is smaller than 4" and can measure heaps of power (flow) - by your own first post, about 300 rwkW. Put that into a 4" pipe and it should be able to measure at least 500 rwkW.

/rocket surgery again!

[1400r]

ok you know it'll do 500rwkw without know what voltage it was seeing in a 4 inch pipe cool

me I'd like to know or atleast have an idea of the voltage/talk to the tuner otherwise people on here will just say again the test was wrong

you might get away with saying it'll do 500rwkw on here I wouldn't

If you want to sell them, it might be in your best interests...

mate I honestly don't give a shit anymore I was trying to sell extra units I bought for testing it was never to make money just try to help recover my

dyno costs for test them out

Edited March 27, 2013 by 1400r

[GTSBoy]

Are you a retard?

These things are a velocity measuring device. If they were not installed in a car, they would be called by their correct name, which is "Hot Wire Anemometer". Google/wiki it.

If you put one of these devices into a 2" pipe and flow air over it at 50 m/s, you will get EXACTLY** the same voltage as if it was installed in a 3" or 4" or 22" pipe with the same air flow velocity. So whilst the velocity would be the same and the voltage would be the same, the actual mass flow of air would be increasing with the square of the pipe size.

*it is necessary to point out here that we need to exclude entrance and exit effects, so we'd either want to have the flow well conditioned or use a sufficiently long piece of pipe to allow the flow to smooth right out.

On that basis, if you were to tell me that an R35 AFM maxed out with 5v at 300 rwkW in a 3" pipe, then asked me what it would max out at in a 5" pipe, I would have absolutely no problem telling you that the ratio would be about (5^2 / 3^2) and so the max power it could meter in a 5" pipe would be about 830 rwkW.

Whatever the actual limits in terms of power/flow/voltage are in a 3" pipe, you could scale them to get what they'd come out to in any other size pipe and you would be close to the mark. There's sure to be some lack of correctness because the actual original installation is not in a nice smooth flow and does have entrance/exit effects, and these would possibly be even worse in a larger diameter pipe - but at least they'd probably all affect it in the same direction away from the "ideal" case.

[Scotsman]

Can anyone tell me who stocks the R35 AFM plugs? I have a good source of AFM's, but not the plug.

Also anyone got a pin out for the R35 AFM?

[infamous_t]

Can anyone tell me who stocks the R35 AFM plugs? I have a good source of AFM's, but not the plug.

Also anyone got a pin out for the R35 AFM?

http://www.rhdjapan.com/hpi-r35-airflow-meter-harness-69542

http://nistune.com/docs/MAF_and_Consult_pinouts.pdf

[discopotato03]

I will search again but my understanding of a mass air flow sensor is measuring air temperature from which density is known . I think the only difference the size of the duct makes to the sensor is that more flow equals more air to affect the cooling at the heated wire . It's the regulated current required to keep the element at a set temperature that gives the sensor output voltage . From memory the circuitry is known as a Wheatstone Bridge and there should be info out there on this system .

Also manufacturers know how much air a given MAF meter will flow with atmospheric pressure behind it . The only variables will be atmospheric pressure and temperature and these aren't hard to allow for .

Things that do change are engine and bay temperatures especially in warm weather and with stop start running . The inlet tracts ie manifolds heat up and the slow moving air absorbs this heat more easily . Everything now has oxygen and knock sensing so the EMS can compensate for slightly more extreme conditions , computers also self learn these days attempting to stay within fairly narrow ranges for emissions reasons .

IMO the reason why some OE engines have Mass and air temp sensors is because continuous full load running heats the engine and its bay to temperatures a production car would never normally see and slightly leaner running kills things eventually . It's not hard to see why say a GTR has a basic air temp compensation sensor where GTSTs don't .

Nissan and no doubt other manufacturers have moved to better air flow meters than they used in the 80s and 90s because they are all chasing accuracy and ever tightening engine controls - and its driven by emissions and consumption legislation .

I reckon hats off to a MAF sensor where you can remove/replace the element without pulling the ducting apart , its made things easier for the aftermarket who can make a larger body and use the OE element .

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