Sleeping

[L33SH]

and that's why I don't drink coffee unless I haven't slept for a couple of nights

[L33SH]

Since Sunday night I've slept a total of 4 hours, I'm going to the doctor this afternoon to get my melatonin levels checked and possibly something for tonight to induce sleep as I've had a couple of minor hallucinations.

The only change I've made recently is increasing my daily food intake, does anyone think this could be related to sleeping issues?

[rev210]

If the types of food hasn't changed just the amount being a little more, then no.

[L33SH]

Fair enough, I've upped my protein intake quite significantly to around 125g a day but I wouldn't think that would affect sleep.

[Kenna802]

It shouldn't but I too have upped my protein and carb levels and I as well have had alot of issues sleeping. Have you been using any sleep aids l33sh?

[L33SH]

No, I'm at the doctors now

[Kenna802]

Hey guys/girls I got my GABA powder, phenibut and l-arginine powder and just wondering what I should use to get the right amount ?

[Birds]

Don't know about the others, but pure phenibut is usually 500mg to start with, and increase from there if no effects are felt (takes a few hours to set in and can stay in your body for a day, so only increase the dose 24 hours later). Remember to have wash out periods, 4 days on 3 off etc. as the body can build tolerance fast in a matter of days/weeks and then you'll be taking grams of the stuff to get the same effects.

Have also read that addiction and withdrawal from long term use of phenibut are unpleasant, so it may be useful to do short term trials to keep yourself in check.

[bozodos]

I usually go with 2-4g of GABA, started it on 2

[Kenna802]

Cheers yeah I understand about the over dosage and that. Just wondering where I can half gram spoons etc

[Birds]

Half gram spoons?

Half a gram of steel and half a gram of salt do not fit into the same space...

[Kenna802]

Lol my mistake. I'm just looking for something to measure 1 gram for the phenibut or there abouts

[Birds]

Start on 500mg!

And get a microscales or look specifically for a phenibut scoop / ask the manufacturer for an equivalent scoop size.

[XGTRX]

Hey guys/girls I got my GABA powder, phenibut and l-arginine powder and just wondering what I should use to get the right amount ?

To be honest I think start with gaba and arginine and see how you go. I think you would be surprised with the results. Phenibut will serve it's purpose if really needed but something to avoid if possible because of it's negative side effects with dependancy. Just a thought.

[rev210]

I would disagree strongly with the e-opinions on Phenibut about negative side effects and dependancy.

Also respectfully , that GABA or Arginine are actually effective in directly treating sleep function. Neither can pass the blood brain barrier to effect the brain. Not withstanding they might, they aren't anything near the effectiveness of Phenibut, for obvious reasons.

Arginine can help reduce cortisol but, the assumption would be you are defficient. It has a mild stimulation on HGH levels but, only if injected. Oral ingestion has no effect.

Phenibut is phenylated GABA and is able to pass the barrier.

Adding my own experience. Doesn't prove the science case for or against but, is consistant with the already established scientific data.

I have been taking it for some weeks now . And I have tested high dosages (upto 5gms) and suffered zero withdrawal or tollerance increases. It did casue me to laugh my ass off though. I have gone days without it recently with no ill effects. No suprises really.

[XGTRX]

I would disagree strongly with the e-opinions on Phenibut about negative side effects and dependancy.

 

Also respectfully , that GABA or Arginine are actually effective in directly treating sleep function.  Neither can pass the blood brain barrier to effect the brain.  Not withstanding they might, they aren't anything near the effectiveness of Phenibut, for obvious reasons.

 

Arginine can help reduce cortisol but, the assumption would be you are defficient. It has a mild stimulation on HGH levels but, only if injected. Oral ingestion has no effect.

 

Phenibut is phenylated GABA and is able to pass the barrier.

 

Adding my own experience. Doesn't prove the science case for or against but, is consistant with the already established scientific data.

I have been taking it for some weeks now . And I have tested high dosages (upto 5gms) and suffered zero withdrawal or tollerance increases. It did casue me to laugh my ass off though. I have gone days without it recently with no ill effects. No suprises really.

Mmmmm science is amazing....especially when it tries to disprove things that have proven to work in REAL LIFE. Scientists or pharmacists with minimal real life experience should give no weight to research and white papers especially when real world experiences differ. That's ok. They will learn the limitations of science eventually.

[L33SH]

Nothing can be proven.

[XGTRX]

Nothing can be proven.

Yes it can!!!

Three outcomes are possible.

1. It doesn't work.

2. It has a negative effect.

3. It has a positive effect.

That's all that matters.

[Kenna802]

All I know is from my personal experiences are that being on meds for 10 years ( I was wrong in my post about 6 or 8 years whatever ) is that all it did was turn me into a fat slob who had no ambition or drive. ( I forced myself to the gym 4 times a week and did not lose any weight or gain any muscle ) I also still had trouble sleeping and also lost the fight or flight response and just didn't care in general. Now I know people will say that I was on the wrong meds etc but I had tried about 5 different types during that stage.

In regards to sleep I was prescribed endep as well as various aids and all I can say was that while I did sleep for about 4 hours I than was restless for the remainder of the evening and woke up feeling more exhausted than when I went to bed. The couple of natural sleep aids I have found have allowed me the best nights sleep I have ever had but the down side is the body gets used to it very quickly so I have to sacrifice some nights so I can get sleep others. Not perfect I know but better than the alternative.

I'm not for or against medicines I just believe if they work than that's great but if not than there is an alternative.

[Kenna802]

Hey l33sh. Hope you are feeling better.

Just to add for the first time I am prescription drugs and trying natural supplements. While I still am a bit up and down ( anxiety plays a big part ) I am actually fitter and more with it than I ever have been. A mate saw me today and asked what I have been doing cause I look so good. ( no homo lol ) It' feels good that people notice these things.