Sleeping

[L33SH]

NoTroy, I have low estrogen, excess testosterone levels.

[L33SH]

From what I understand all the claimed test booster do not boost testosterone they support the natural balance between test and estrogen. There is not artificial boosting at all. That ingredient macuna puriens helps with the balance. And if your test is high, lucky you because most of the 'normal range' levels sited by western medicine are too low. It has been proven that test from ancient non-westernized humans are close to double the level of westernized men. They also have non existent rates of heart disease, diabetes, obesity and hormonal issues we have. So I would not worry really because men with so called normal range test are less likely to create waves and a lot easier to control.... exactly what the government want.

fair enough, but I'm a female.

[XGTRX]

Ooops forget about the latter rant then. Out of interest what is the ratio between test and estrogen.

[Birds]

I thought you had LOW test, Leesh? *confused*

That was the other girlfriend ya yutz

[L33SH]

That was the other girlfriend ya yutz

you have so many it's hard to keep up

[Birds]

[L33SH]

Ooops forget about the latter rant then. Out of interest what is the ratio between test and estrogen.

I'd have to tell you that when I'm at home.

So I'm still slightly confused as to what is an appropriate supplement for me to take

[rev210]

Leesh.

Phenibut pure.

That Dorian Yates stuff is expensive repackaging, no points for guessing Mr Yates didn't get his huge size thanks to this stuff.

Don't think Dorian is a goal body shape for you ?

This is why I think the Yates powder is having a lend:

* It's not going to boost test (if it did it would be illegal).

* ZMA , called zinc tablets (when not being touted by muscle building supliment companies), is basically $6 for a bottle of 100 tablets from Cenovis, with the Zinc Magnesium & B vitamin ratios that work. IF you are deficient.

* Maca Puriens contains trace amounts of L-DOPA as it's claim to fame (so do ordinary broad beans), thats not a hormone balancer of any kind.

* GABA has a weak amount scientific evidence for it's effects, given it can't pass the blood brain barrier. So it's mechanism for efficacy is not known if it can work.

Phenibut can pass this barrier hence is evidenced as being effective and understanding of the mechanisim.

There is Phenibut in this stuff but, it's an undisclosed amount. That is the part that works.

Phenibut is about 3c to 12c a serve and works vs $2 - $4 a serve for the effective part.

Edited June 24, 2013 by rev210

[XGTRX]

All the points above are valid however if you want to try an all in one sleep aid then I recommend this. Why? Because it actually does assist sleep. As with a lot of blends and also foods in general, the sum of the parts create different results than looking at the individual contents in isolation. For people not bothered to search for individual ingredients this is good to purchase. If you get results then search for the ingredients individually. And yes the claims are stupid as with any other body building supplement. $50 isn't a bad investment if it works, and it will work as it has for the 20 plus people I have recommended it to over the last 2 years.

[rev210]

All the points above are valid however if you want to try an all in one sleep aid then I recommend this. Why? Because it actually does assist sleep. As with a lot of blends and also foods in general, the sum of the parts create different results than looking at the individual contents in isolation. For people not bothered to search for individual ingredients this is good to purchase. If you get results then search for the ingredients individually. And yes the claims are stupid as with any other body building supplement. $50 isn't a bad investment if it works, and it will work as it has for the 20 plus people I have recommended it to over the last 2 years.

I understand. You are quite right that it would assist sleep (contains Phenibut). I think you have a good point as Phenibut isn't an easy suppliment to find.

[L33SH]

Thanks guys for your suggestions

[L33SH]

#@rev210

I'm looking at purchasing Phenibut from the Primaforce website; do you suggest the powder? There are tablets on there too but I don't think they're pure Phenibut, plus they have gelatin in them.

Just want to confirm the powder is what I should be getting before I purchase, thank you.

[Birds]

Back on melatonin since lastnight

Woke up feeling like I could do a handstand

Will continue to report back with results

[rev210]

#@rev210

I'm looking at purchasing Phenibut from the Primaforce website; do you suggest the powder? There are tablets on there too but I don't think they're pure Phenibut, plus they have gelatin in them.

Just want to confirm the powder is what I should be getting before I purchase, thank you.

I got it from ebay. from this place.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Phenibut-100g-Pure-Nootropic-Go-out-have-fun-dont-drink-Wicked-Gear-/290935953856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item43bd2259c0

Taste is like very strong grapefruit juice (acidic) in water. It's only $36 for 100g. Bargain.

Edited July 1, 2013 by rev210

[rev210]

powder is the go.

[L33SH]

Thank you very much for your help, Rev

Edited July 1, 2013 by L33SH

[L33SH]

Ordered, will let you know how I go

[Birds]

Also ordered for a test

[Kenna802]

I tried ronnie colemans resurrect pm but I think I have issues with the tryptophan in it as it gives me anxiety attacks ( I already take tryptophan during the day ) I have tried gh blast which has GABA included and that seems to help me alot better. Let me know how that powder works l33sh as at about $90 a tub of gh blast it sends me broke rather quick

Edited July 13, 2013 by Kenna802

[L33SH]

I will, I've just come off antibiotics so haven't tried it yet but will next week.