Which Big Brake Kit

[V8cat]

Yup, it is the full kit for front and rear with Calipers, Hats, Rotors, brake lines, fluid and pads.

Thanks.

Which front kit do I have to choose, 343 mm or 365 mm discs ? I don't track too often, but I'm tempted by price for 365 mm kit, or combo : http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

[dkbcleaner]

Pagids RS29 are great for track use with Alcons.

Cool! How are they on the street? chew through rotors, noisy ect?

[dkbcleaner]

Thanks.

Which front kit do I have to choose, 343 mm or 365 mm discs ? I don't track too often, but I'm tempted by price for 365 mm kit, or combo : http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

If your wheels fit go for the 365mm. The bigger the better i reckon as the gtr is a big heavy car and will look way tough than the 343 under the wheels

[dkbcleaner]

Hey guys just like to say that I can definitely recommend JDL service and delivery. I received the brakes yesterday. Took 6 business days from when I made payment. I made payment with pay pal. I first emailed them a few questions and was dealing with a guy called Mark. He was very quick to respond and happy to answer any questions I had. Not sure on the time difference but I was emailing them between 11pm and 2am and getting replied back instantly (maybe thats why). I went with the cheaper delivery option which was 190 pounds. Still has tracking, insurance and everything else, just only difference what Mark said will take 2 extra days to get here. All up with customs raping me it came to $5704 which I think is still really good value for money. Will be fitting them on monday. Oh and the brakes are really well packed and protected and look f awesome!! haha

[Piggaz]

Thanks.

Which front kit do I have to choose, 343 mm or 365 mm discs ? I don't track too often, but I'm tempted by price for 365 mm kit, or combo : http://www.jdl-brakes.com/special-offer-alcon-adv-extreme-brake-kit-front-and-rear-nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gtr.html

If you're spending the money, definately the big boys. As if do a half arsed job

[Roy]

Looks like Alcon have changed the production of the calipers the past 18 months. Those that I have see lately, seem to be a slightly tattier casting. They used to be a far better quality casting over the likes of the Brembos but now they look similar. They also seem to paint on the Alcon logo vs having the Alcon logo machined into the caliper face with paint filling the machined relief

[DaanGTR]

Cool! How are they on the street? chew through rotors, noisy ect?

They work from cold, and are amazing on track. In my car they are almost "noise free" but I heard opinion, that sometimes can be little squeaking. To be honest, the pads which come with Alcon kits are ok for street use, but not for track. Looking at JDL website http://www.jdl-brakes.com/nissan-skyline-r32-r33-r34-gt-r.html RS29 pads are not cheap, but I think worth the money.

Hey guys just like to say that I can definitely recommend JDL service and delivery. I received the brakes yesterday. Took 6 business days from when I made payment. I made payment with pay pal. I first emailed them a few questions and was dealing with a guy called Mark. He was very quick to respond and happy to answer any questions I had. Not sure on the time difference but I was emailing them between 11pm and 2am and getting replied back instantly (maybe thats why). I went with the cheaper delivery option which was 190 pounds. Still has tracking, insurance and everything else, just only difference what Mark said will take 2 extra days to get here. All up with customs raping me it came to $5704 which I think is still really good value for money. Will be fitting them on monday. Oh and the brakes are really well packed and protected and look f awesome!! haha

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Looks like Alcon have changed the production of the calipers the past 18 months. Those that I have see lately, seem to be a slightly tattier casting. They used to be a far better quality casting over the likes of the Brembos but now they look similar. They also seem to paint on the Alcon logo vs having the Alcon logo machined into the caliper face with paint filling the machined relief

My collegue has on EVO 8 Alcon 6 pot kit 4 years old, and logo is painted also.

[JimmyRickard]

Anyone know if the 343mm kit would fit under 17" Buddyclub Q1 PF's?

[V8cat]

You have to use caliper profile and check fittment with your wheels http://www.jdl-brakes.com/fileuploader/download/download/?d=0&file=custom%2Fupload%2FFile-1347270223.pdf

[JimmyRickard]

Just read a few pages back that these alcon's are more of a 'street' application rather than heavy duty track calipers. What's the major difference with them and I suppose the 'normal' alcon's? Would they perform better/worse than the D2/ATTKD brakes?

[DaanGTR]

Just read a few pages back that these alcon's are more of a 'street' application rather than heavy duty track calipers. What's the major difference with them and I suppose the 'normal' alcon's? Would they perform better/worse than the D2/ATTKD brakes?

I've done 9 hard track events so far on Alcons, and discs are still ok, pads should be replaced soon. My collegue with R33 GTR use D2 BBK changed discs three times, and DS3000 pads 4 times.

[JimmyRickard]

I've done 9 hard track events so far on Alcons, and discs are still ok, pads should be replaced soon. My collegue with R33 GTR use D2 BBK changed discs three times, and DS3000 pads 4 times.

The same alcon kit from JDL? Was your colleague using D2 discs or other brands?

[Risking]

Just because one person tracks their car doesn't mean that they are using the brakes properly or driving the car 100% despite them thinking they probably are, your best selecting brakes from your budget and personal skill level than what others are using.

I preped a couple of GTR's last year before drive Bathurst. A couple of them had the Alcon package. One driver fried the brakes after a couple of laps another had the brakes last all weekend and was 5sec a lap faster than the fired brakes driver. Same cars, similar engines same brakes and same age (brand new) on the first day

Upgraded the fried braked car and the 2nd day he was another 3 sec quicker than the same guy who was faster than him the day before, the street Alcon package just wasn't good enough for his skill and confidence level.

90% of novice drivers would not notice the difference between these basic Alcon kits and the Chinese kits IF they are fitted with the same pads.

In fact most wouldn't even notice the difference between a set of Supercar alcons and D2's with the same pads.

[DaanGTR]

The same alcon kit from JDL? Was your colleague using D2 discs or other brands?

Yes, I have same as JDL sell. First D2, second time AP Racing I think.

Just because one person tracks their car doesn't mean that they are using the brakes properly or driving the car 100% despite them thinking they probably are, your best selecting brakes from your budget and personal skill level than what others are using.

I preped a couple of GTR's last year before drive Bathurst. A couple of them had the Alcon package. One driver fried the brakes after a couple of laps another had the brakes last all weekend and was 5sec a lap faster than the fired brakes driver. Same cars, similar engines same brakes and same age (brand new) on the first day

Upgraded the fried braked car and the 2nd day he was another 3 sec quicker than the same guy who was faster than him the day before, the street Alcon package just wasn't good enough for his skill and confidence level.

90% of novice drivers would not notice the difference between these basic Alcon kits and the Chinese kits IF they are fitted with the same pads.

In fact most wouldn't even notice the difference between a set of Supercar alcons and D2's with the same pads.

I think problems were caused by DS3000 pads, because both sets of D2, and one set of AP was literally "eaten" by pads.

[Risking]

It could be normal usage if his using the brakes to their absolute potential.

Rotors are a consumable. A touring car will go through a full set of Alcon rotors in one race meeting. Most of the heavy hitting circuit GTR's will need rotors after two or three race meetings (not track days proper race meetings)

[Roy]

Just read a few pages back that these alcon's are more of a 'street' application rather than heavy duty track calipers. What's the major difference with them and I suppose the 'normal' alcon's? Would they perform better/worse than the D2/ATTKD brakes?

Further to what others have said calling a caliper a street caliper is not a criticism. Look at cars like 997 GT3s that dont have the ceramic brake option. They can pound around tracks like Spa lap after lap with no brake problems just with some Pagid or Performance Friction pads (talking to owners that's what they tend to use) These are cars beign driven hard often on slicks.

So street calipers are not inferior per say. What they are is generally heavier and constructed from more durable materials. Race calipers can often be similar in physical size, often identical in piston sizes but are often lighter and made from material that makes them stiffer and lighter. This sometimes means due to their duty they are lifed more frequently as they are designed for performance, not durability. They also often run titanium pistons and bridge ducts or water lines for added cooling and performance.

Short of people actually racing their GTR where they are running for 6+ laps at full speed with sufficient engine cooling etc to permit such use....the Alcon etc kits will be fine for your application. Many people complain about certain AP its and I have heard the same complaint about Alcon Evo guys saying they still use loads of pads and eat rotors. If/when you need to replace a rotor forget about weight and unsprung weight and get a rotor with 70-72 vanes. Dont go running 24, 36, 42 vanes as you will run out of pad pretty quick.

Of the people I know who run setups that run a 35mm thick 72 vane rotor they have never had a problem with brakes, had an appetite for rotors or calipers with them running nice and cool.

Thats the main reason I like the AP CP5555 over the Alcon, simply because they take a 375/378/380 35/36mm thk rotors where as the Alcons must run a 32mm and typically 365mm. It just means that 1 in 10 person may exceed the Alcons ability where as 1 in 50 will exceed the AP setup with thicker rotor.

Also if you are sourcing Alcons then it may pay to check local pricing now that PWR have relinquished distributorship as the pricing is a load better. If you get stung for customs/GST then I think it could well be cheaper to get locally, but if you send the front brakes to your mate at work and the rears to your home address you will probably get away with it

[NisGTR]

Further to what others have said calling a caliper a street caliper is not a criticism. Look at cars like 997 GT3s that dont have the ceramic brake option. They can pound around tracks like Spa lap after lap with no brake problems just with some Pagid or Performance Friction pads (talking to owners that's what they tend to use) These are cars beign driven hard often on slicks.

So street calipers are not inferior per say. What they are is generally heavier and constructed from more durable materials. Race calipers can often be similar in physical size, often identical in piston sizes but are often lighter and made from material that makes them stiffer and lighter. This sometimes means due to their duty they are lifed more frequently as they are designed for performance, not durability. They also often run titanium pistons and bridge ducts or water lines for added cooling and performance.

Short of people actually racing their GTR where they are running for 6+ laps at full speed with sufficient engine cooling etc to permit such use....the Alcon etc kits will be fine for your application. Many people complain about certain AP its and I have heard the same complaint about Alcon Evo guys saying they still use loads of pads and eat rotors. If/when you need to replace a rotor forget about weight and unsprung weight and get a rotor with 70-72 vanes. Dont go running 24, 36, 42 vanes as you will run out of pad pretty quick.

Of the people I know who run setups that run a 35mm thick 72 vane rotor they have never had a problem with brakes, had an appetite for rotors or calipers with them running nice and cool.

Thats the main reason I like the AP CP5555 over the Alcon, simply because they take a 375/378/380 35/36mm thk rotors where as the Alcons must run a 32mm and typically 365mm. It just means that 1 in 10 person may exceed the Alcons ability where as 1 in 50 will exceed the AP setup with thicker rotor.

Also if you are sourcing Alcons then it may pay to check local pricing now that PWR have relinquished distributorship as the pricing is a load better. If you get stung for customs/GST then I think it could well be cheaper to get locally, but if you send the front brakes to your mate at work and the rears to your home address you will probably get away with it

so would you recommend a 35mm thick rotor on a street car that would see the track every so often or go a 32mm thick?

[Roy]

I have no idea. Risking got it right

Just because one person tracks their car doesn't mean that they are using the brakes properly or driving the car 100% despite them thinking they probably are, your best selecting brakes from your budget and personal skill level than what others are using.

I preped a couple of GTR's last year before drive Bathurst. A couple of them had the Alcon package. One driver fried the brakes after a couple of laps another had the brakes last all weekend and was 5sec a lap faster than the fired brakes driver. Same cars, similar engines same brakes and same age (brand new) on the first day
Upgraded the fried braked car and the 2nd day he was another 3 sec quicker than the same guy who was faster than him the day before, the street Alcon package just wasn't good enough for his skill and confidence level.

90% of novice drivers would not notice the difference between these basic Alcon kits and the Chinese kits IF they are fitted with the same pads.
In fact most wouldn't even notice the difference between a set of Supercar alcons and D2's with the same pads.

I suppose you need to read as much as you can and decide for yourself.

Jack ran Alcon kits and not many go as quick or punt a car as well sorted and as fast as his was

He ran the Alcons for a few years. He upgraded to Supercar brakes but that was mostly because he could and they were brake porn rather than needed

And this is a bonkers fast track car that runs Alcon fronts , though is a bout 300kgs lighter then many track GTRs but then again has over 400rwkws...you get the idea

[niZmO_Man]

I've done 9 hard track events so far on Alcons, and discs are still ok, pads should be replaced soon. My collegue with R33 GTR use D2 BBK changed discs three times, and DS3000 pads 4 times.

What is the brake cooling setup on both cars?

Had a quick chat to fatz about his track car, his brake ducts helped the pads last a lot longer compared to no cooling.

[Risking]

Cooling on both cars was identical.

Fabricated ducts with 3inch flexi duct from the front bumper intakes.