Are N/a's Really That Slow? Or Are People Talking Out Their Ass.

[Fryters]

All of yous are commenting on what is good and bad at drifting but then say you don't drift yourselves? Puts you in a good place to be commenting....

And d1 is a spectator sport, like you said, crowds like to see smoke, when you's one day leave your computer chairs and visit the motherland you will realize the love the Japanese have for na rb's and sr's along with 4age ae86's.

But with both of you admitting you don't drift and having single minded opinions I really don't think you's should be giving advice to someone who may be purchasing a cheap, reliable na skyline that he will learn to have a lot of fun in and teach valuable skills without wrapping himself around a pole or losing his license due to restrictions.

[MBS206]

All of yous are commenting on what is good and bad at drifting but then say you don't drift yourselves? Puts you in a good place to be commenting....

And d1 is a spectator sport, like you said, crowds like to see smoke, when you's one day leave your computer chairs and visit the motherland you will realize the love the Japanese have for na rb's and sr's along with 4age ae86's.

But with both of you admitting you don't drift and having single minded opinions I really don't think you's should be giving advice to someone who may be purchasing a cheap, reliable na skyline that he will learn to have a lot of fun in and teach valuable skills without wrapping himself around a pole or losing his license due to restrictions.

Just because our choice in motorsport to spend money on isnt drifting dot think for one second most of us who track our cars haven't done it, geez most of us have a crack at it on track days for shits and giggles at the end of the day.

When you realize that the choice of drifting is responsive turbo cars and stop watching the jap version of p players drifting you might realize that te sport isnt built around NA cars.

Lastly, p platers have this thing for wrapping even daihatsu charades around poles, don't let the government brain wash you into thinking you're a million times safer as it's missing a turbo.

When you get to have PROPER drives of turbo cars you will then no longer be one minded yourself and realize a NA skyline is not FAST

Please note: we've covered many times that you can drift the most under powered cars, that doesn't make them fast.

It's like saying because I used the side of my fork to cut through some chicken it's sharp.

Reality is, yes it'll "cut it" but it's not sharp

Without power the car IS slow.

[Captain Natro]

All of yous are commenting on what is good and bad at drifting but then say you don't drift yourselves? Puts you in a good place to be commenting....

And d1 is a spectator sport, like you said, crowds like to see smoke, when you's one day leave your computer chairs and visit the motherland you will realize the love the Japanese have for na rb's and sr's along with 4age ae86's.

But with both of you admitting you don't drift and having single minded opinions I really don't think you's should be giving advice to someone who may be purchasing a cheap, reliable na skyline that he will learn to have a lot of fun in and teach valuable skills without wrapping himself around a pole or losing his license due to restrictions.

reliable you say.... in the time i had my NA i destroyed 2 engines and a gear box, if you drive them like you stole them "which i dont care who you are, if your on this forum and on your Ps you will" they are no more reliable then any other car. And if the car you buy has had a hard life (which they all have) dont trick yourself into thinking your going to have worry free motoring.

[Captain Natro]

Lastly, p platers have this thing for wrapping even daihatsu charades around poles

Without power the car IS slow.

Oi!? you leave the Diahatsu Charades out of this... its got three cylinders of fury and 997cc of gut twisting torque (mines even the sporty 2 door version lol)

[Fryters]

I can't get through to you....

If you 'have a drift' at the end of a track day, you clearly aren't a drifter and can't give advice. Na cars are in no way competition cars for drifting as professional drifting isn't just about driver skill, but teamwork and car development where na's are simple and would require no team. They would also not be competitive in a competition as comps are often large tracks to produce smoke and do high speeds. Get an n/a skyline in the mountain against a d1 and watch and laugh as the laggy d1 car waits to spool up on the tight mountain road. Mountains are where drifting has and always will belong.

You say drifting with power is harder as you can loop easier with more right foot but then compare them to a daihatsu? So all p platers should be right to learn to drift in ls1 r33's?

And since buying my car I have done 6track days and a 24hr matsuri. Only troubles iv had is had to buy a larger radiator as qld track temps are insane. I do an oil change between every track day and i drive the car to and from the track. But nah, that's not reliable...

[mad082]

All of yous are commenting on what is good and bad at drifting but then say you don't drift yourselves? Puts you in a good place to be commenting....

And d1 is a spectator sport, like you said, crowds like to see smoke, when you's one day leave your computer chairs and visit the motherland you will realize the love the Japanese have for na rb's and sr's along with 4age ae86's.

But with both of you admitting you don't drift and having single minded opinions I really don't think you's should be giving advice to someone who may be purchasing a cheap, reliable na skyline that he will learn to have a lot of fun in and teach valuable skills without wrapping himself around a pole or losing his license due to restrictions.

I never said i don't drift.

Secondly, you need to pull your head in and stop being a keyboard warrior. You have taken a thread about whether na skylines are slow or not and turned it into a big argument about drifting. this thread was settled a long time ago by people posting rational posts starting that yes, compared to other p plate legal cars they aren't anything special. It doesn't matter whether you can drift them or not. Hell, some of the best drifting I've seen was done by a diesel ford maverick 4x4 with absolutely no mods. But it makes no difference.

If i was a p plater with the restrictions these days i wouldn't bother looking at na skylines. There are cars that are faster and more fun to drive, and many of them are fwd. Despite what many p platers think, being able to be some fully hektic drifter isn't everything, and fwd cars can be very fun to drive.

Finally, just because you drift your na skyline doesn't make you any more qualified to post in this thread than us. It doesn't make you more knowledgabke than us. those of us who have owned many cars and have an unbiased opinion on cars are better qualified to give opinions, even if you might not like what we say about the beloved skyline. Someone who has owned 1 or 2 cars in their time aren't really in a position to comment. I've owned a decent amount of cars (about 15 from memory) over the 14 years I've had my licence, from imports to v8s to little 4cyl runabouts, and had decent drives of many many more (either through work or mates/family members). I think I'm in a good position to give advice on what sort of car makes for a good daily that will suit a p plater and keep them happy. Just because you drift your n/a skyline, on the other hand, does not.

[Fryters]

I never said i don't drift.

Secondly, you need to pull your head in and stop being a keyboard warrior. You have taken a thread about whether na skylines are slow or not and turned it into a big argument about drifting. this thread was settled a long time ago by people posting rational posts starting that yes, compared to other p plate legal cars they aren't anything special. It doesn't matter whether you can drift them or not. Hell, some of the best drifting I've seen was done by a diesel ford maverick 4x4 with absolutely no mods. But it makes no difference.

If i was a p plater with the restrictions these days i wouldn't bother looking at na skylines. There are cars that are faster and more fun to drive, and many of them are fwd. Despite what many p platers think, being able to be some fully hektic drifter isn't everything, and fwd cars can be very fun to drive.

Finally, just because you drift your na skyline doesn't make you any more qualified to post in this thread than us. It doesn't make you more knowledgabke than us. those of us who have owned many cars and have an unbiased opinion on cars are better qualified to give opinions, even if you might not like what we say about the beloved skyline. Someone who has owned 1 or 2 cars in their time aren't really in a position to comment. I've owned a decent amount of cars (about 15 from memory) over the 14 years I've had my licence, from imports to v8s to little 4cyl runabouts, and had decent drives of many many more (either through work or mates/family members). I think I'm in a good position to give advice on what sort of car makes for a good daily that will suit a p plater and keep them happy. Just because you drift your n/a skyline, on the other hand, does not.

Again judging because you think I am young and dumb.

My skyline is not my only car, I have owned 8 cars now. I am not saying that they are the best. I am saying that they will teach a young driver skills that a commodoore (which has been recommended) cannot offer. Again, you's are biased, because you have never done it.

Don't think that I don't enjoy turbo cars as well or enjoy doing circuits and time attack. I can post videos of me drifting a 320kw Silvia. Although I am the one being classed as the keyboard warrior yet I have proof of my claims. You's all say what you have seen an done but have nothing to prove it.

The fact to that you think the best drifting you have ever seen has been in a 4wd shows you don't know much about the drift scene and that the stereotype of being a 'hectic drifter' is quite funny when you are insulting the fastest growing Motorsport in Australia.

Also I have a space shuttle in my garage, il post pics later guys but trust me, it's there.

[Captain Natro]

I can't get through to you....

If you 'have a drift' at the end of a track day, you clearly aren't a drifter and can't give advice. Na cars are in no way competition cars for drifting as professional drifting isn't just about driver skill, but teamwork and car development where na's are simple and would require no team. They would also not be competitive in a competition as comps are often large tracks to produce smoke and do high speeds. Get an n/a skyline in the mountain against a d1 and watch and laugh as the laggy d1 car waits to spool up on the tight mountain road. Mountains are where drifting has and always will belong.

You say drifting with power is harder as you can loop easier with more right foot but then compare them to a daihatsu? So all p platers should be right to learn to drift in ls1 r33's?

And since buying my car I have done 6track days and a 24hr matsuri. Only troubles iv had is had to buy a larger radiator as qld track temps are insane. I do an oil change between every track day and i drive the car to and from the track. But nah, that's not reliable...

hold up your in qld, how about you jump on over to the QLD section and come down to a wednesday night test and tune.... then we'll see how your NA fairs against some other cars (being dead serious, come down)

*also for the record, i give no farks for drifting and my car is being built as a street/drag car

[Captain Natro]

Again judging because you think I am young and dumb.

My skyline is not my only car, I have owned 8 cars now. I am not saying that they are the best. I am saying that they will teach a young driver skills that a commodoore (which has been recommended) cannot offer. Again, you's are biased, because you have never done it.

Don't think that I don't enjoy turbo cars as well or enjoy doing circuits and time attack. I can post videos of me drifting a 320kw Silvia. Although I am the one being classed as the keyboard warrior yet I have proof of my claims. You's all say what you have seen an done but have nothing to prove it.

The fact to that you think the best drifting you have ever seen has been in a 4wd shows you don't know much about the drift scene and that the stereotype of being a 'hectic drifter' is quite funny when you are insulting the fastest growing Motorsport in Australia.

Also I have a space shuttle in my garage, il post pics later guys but trust me, it's there.

yes argue with the mods, they love that

[Fryters]

hold up your in qld, how about you jump on over to the QLD section and come down to a wednesday night test and tune.... then we'll see how your NA fairs against some other cars (being dead serious, come down)

*also for the record, i give no farks for drifting and my car is being built as a street/drag car

Old as f**k quote "straight roads are for fast cars, winding roads are for fast drivers"

Drags are simply who has the most money, this does not interest me one bit. Like drifting doesn't interest you. But I can show up to a Wednesday night and people will laugh at my times, but you can show up at a morning drift session and people will laugh at your driving.

And as for the mods, I care for them the same way i do for drag racing... Not a lot. They only got those because they either know someone or they have a high post count. I just thought a mod should only comment and give advice on topics they were more familiar with?

[Deza3000]

At the end of the day here is my personal estimated ranking of the n/a skyline compared to other n/a cars based on 1/4 times (correct me if im wrong):

1# s2000

1# TRD Aurion

2# 370z

3# 350z

4# RX8

5# Nissan skyline G35 (200+kw)

6# 2008 - 2013 Honda civic vtec

7# Honda prelude vtec

8# Honda integra vtex

9# Toyota Aurion 2009 - 2013

10# 2006 - 2013 commodore

11# 2003 - 2013 falcon

12# VN commodore

13# EL falcon xr6

14# Mitsubishi Magna vrx

15# N/a skyline Rb25de

16# EL fairmont

17# Falcon 1992 - 2002 (excliding el falcons)

18# Commodore 1991 - 2003

19# Mazda 3

20# Toyota camry altise/ ateva (4cyl)

21# Mazda 6

22#Toyota corrola

23# Honda accord

24# Mitsubishi Lancer

Edited January 14, 2013 by Deza3000

[Captain Natro]

Old as f**k quote "straight roads are for fast cars, winding roads are for fast drivers"

Drags are simply who has the most money, this does not interest me one bit. Like drifting doesn't interest you. But I can show up to a Wednesday night and people will laugh at my times, but you can show up at a morning drift session and people will laugh at your driving.

And as for the mods, I care for them the same way i do for drag racing... Not a lot. They only got those because they either know someone or they have a high post count. I just thought a mod should only comment and give advice on topics they were more familiar with?

now your assuming i cant drive (addmitedly with 90/10 shocks and a stalled auto the task at hand would be difficult for even experianced "drifters"), in my eyes its just a very expensive sport and encoruges nothing but defects (hellafail style cars), are you signed up for the upcoming happy laps at QR?

Edited January 14, 2013 by Captain Natro

[Captain Natro]

At the end of the day here is my personal estimated ranking of the n/a skyline compared to other n/a cars based on 1/4 times (correct me if im wrong):

1# TRD Aurion

2# 370z

3# 350z

4# RX8

5# Nissan skyline G35 (200+kw)

6# 2008 - 2013 Honda civic vtec

7# Honda prelude vtec

8# Honda integra vtex

9# Toyota Aurion 2009 - 2013

10# 2006 - 2013 commodore

11# 2003 - 2013 falcon

12# VN commodore

13# EL falcon xr6

14# Mitsubishi Magna vrx

15# N/a skyline Rb25de

16# EL fairmont

17# Falcon 1992 - 2002 (excliding el falcons)

18# Commodore 1991 - 2003

19# Mazda 3

20# Toyota camry altise/ ateva (4cyl)

21# Mazda 6

22#Toyota corrola

23# Honda accord

24# Mitsubishi Lancer

#1 worked over crossflow cortina

#2 worked over 12a rotary

[Nee-san]

I actually think most of those cars are prohibited under the power to weight ratio rule.

Happy to be proven wrong though.

[Deza3000]

I know its slightly off topic but this video is pretty interesting. N/a vs turbo

[Nee-san]

What video ?

[Deza3000]

Cant you see it?? the video i pasted below my comment

[bozodos]

haha thread delivers.

You'd be better off modding a VN to drift if you want to do it NA, moo engine lasts forever, cheap as chips to run, can get coilover kits for them these days, lots of lowdown torque. Second choice would be the Aussie R31.

Even then they are both fairly slow, but at least the moo can be turboed to become a fairly potent engine! (obviously the RB30E can too)

Pre R34 N/As are pretty farkin woeful. Just because it might be 'cool' in Japan does not make it cool here.

[Fryters]

Again people talking without experience an using the 'in my opinion' or 'what I reckon' quotes.

Please give the OP actually facts and not your opinions. And a commodoore should never drift. It is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And yes, if it is cool in Japan it is cool here or will be soon. Japanese made the car and know how to do it right, Aussie bogans and Americans on the other hand have this mentality that power is the most important thing with building a track car.

I know yous will continue arguing with me all day. But in the end all iv heard is everyone giving a car (that they have never tracked) a bad name and then suggesting cars such as commodoore and s2k's to a guy who can either not afford one or will just be givin shit and let down by the other.

And it is possible to own a street legal skyline and drift it. You don't have to have them 20mm of the ground with wheels sitting right outside the guards. People just do that out of choice.

[Captain Natro]

Never tracked? Have had my NA at lakeside before, nothing like coming onto the straight and feeling that rush of... Oh wait there is no rush just noise, 135-137-140 end of straight woohoo