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Oh god... I am outnumbered, better surrender an buy a commodoore.

Nick coulsons car is barely a commo anymore and he owned an r32 before that. Japan may have made some bad things but they have also made more good things then any other country. I don't see how I am barely drifting my skyline either? Still yet to see a video from any of you 'gurus of drift'. What is wrong with 4stud btw? All the old school genuine Japanese wheels are 4stud. And I have gtst brakes on mine that I got for free off a mate.

And if anyone would like my signature I am happy to give it out. Seems you's are having trouble getting your overpowered cars sideways, I'd be happy to show you how to do with a third of the power.

Enjoy spending your hard earned money on something that is just going to get looked past.

Oh god... I am outnumbered, better surrender an buy a commodoore.

Nick coulsons car is barely a commo anymore and he owned an r32 before that. Japan may have made some bad things but they have also made more good things then any other country. I don't see how I am barely drifting my skyline either? Still yet to see a video from any of you 'gurus of drift'. What is wrong with 4stud btw? All the old school genuine Japanese wheels are 4stud. And I have gtst brakes on mine that I got for free off a mate.

And if anyone would like my signature I am happy to give it out. , I'd be happy to show you how to do with a third of the power.

Enjoy spending your hard earned money on something that is just going to get looked past.

Seems you's are having trouble getting your overpowered cars sideways - I don't want to go sideways, it's the slowest way around a track (especially a drag strip)

Enjoy spending your hard earned money on something that is just going to get looked past - my cars bright red and a loud V8.... Tell me again how people are "looking past" it

I've driven a non turbo RB30 and that was bad enough, the thought of driving an N/A RB25 or RB20 is quite painful.

EDIT: BTW there was a track comparison done between the 2011 Shelby GT500, Z06 Corvette (LS7 N/A) and the 2012 GT-R, the GT-R was a bees dick faster than the Z06 lol.

Haha rb25 is more powerful than a rb30 =p

Also in regards to your track comparison, the zo6 and zr1 is a well made car, no ones saying otherwise. ZR1 demolished r35, its probably the best car out there and its a stick shift. GT500 on the other hand is a joke no offence. I wouldnt speak highly of it.

Oh god... I am outnumbered, better surrender an buy a commodoore.

Nick coulsons car is barely a commo anymore and he owned an r32 before that. Japan may have made some bad things but they have also made more good things then any other country. I don't see how I am barely drifting my skyline either? Still yet to see a video from any of you 'gurus of drift'. What is wrong with 4stud btw? All the old school genuine Japanese wheels are 4stud. And I have gtst brakes on mine that I got for free off a mate.

And if anyone would like my signature I am happy to give it out. Seems you's are having trouble getting your overpowered cars sideways, I'd be happy to show you how to do with a third of the power.

Enjoy spending your hard earned money on something that is just going to get looked past.

How is Nick's car not a Commodore anymore? Sure looks like a VE to me! Maybe YOU need to get out of your head this silly idea that there is something bad about Commodores (well at least the late model V8 ones!)

I also know of at least one VE taken to Japan for drifting.

your examples of Commo's that 1) haven't been maintained properly and 2) been thrashed are irrelevant; what about the fact that RB engines are known for crappy oil control and flogging out bearings etc etc.

Jap cars peaked in the late 90s, it's a well known fact. Your N/A is slow and not desirable; 4 stud hubs are a very limiting choice for wheel selection these days - hence every HR31 owner changing them for 5 stud for example.

In the test I mentioned, test driver actually stated that though slower and not as predictable that he would choose the GT500 over the other two for a daily driven street car. Also interesting was the fact that the Z06 is also up there with the GT-R; the most common comparison is the supercharged ZR1

I also owned a modified RB25DET R32 previously, does that improve my street cred?

TL;DR: N/A Skylines are the slow arse pov pack models of the lot, much like v6 Executive Commo's are to the SS / HSV models. Actually this thread reads a bit like a Just Commodores thread, do any of you happen to run manifold insulators??

Erm, no, no and no.

N/A drifting isn't big and popular, super close, with the most angle (You can't get and hold angle without more power then an NA RB25 can produce), and most smoke IS popular, if it wasn't, then why is that what drifters are scored on?

Secondly, you're showing you've never driven a car that can break in a power slide at 140+KM/H other wise you wouldn't be claiming any muppet can do it, high speed + angle = alot harder to control then sliding in second.

Secondly, I grabbed the only skyline N/A drifting I could find on youtube quickly.

And if my car doesn't go on a dyno it's going to cost me money how now? I'm unsure how not using a device that I have to pay to use (If I wanted to) will cost me money by not using it...

To this guy, find me an NA RB25 that is producing 300HP... You do know that is around 225KW, IE, the region of 1Bar of boost + tuning on an RB25... IE, turbo power territory... IE, something a nicely powered car will produce... You're just helping us prove our point.

Not quite but close..

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With modern tech, similar specs and e85 it's probably possible to meet or exceed that power level.

Again people talking without experience an using the 'in my opinion' or 'what I reckon' quotes.

Please give the OP actually facts and not your opinions. And a commodoore should never drift. It is the dumbest thing I have ever heard. And yes, if it is cool in Japan it is cool here or will be soon. Japanese made the car and know how to do it right, Aussie bogans and Americans on the other hand have this mentality that power is the most important thing with building a track car.

I know yous will continue arguing with me all day. But in the end all iv heard is everyone giving a car (that they have never tracked) a bad name and then suggesting cars such as commodoore and s2k's to a guy who can either not afford one or will just be givin shit and let down by the other.

And it is possible to own a street legal skyline and drift it. You don't have to have them 20mm of the ground with wheels sitting right outside the guards. People just do that out of choice.

somehow i don't think selling used underwear in vending machines will ever be cool outside of anywhere but japan.

and the hate for commodores and how personal the NA defenders are taking this thread is extremely entertaining.

to say that commodores in the drift scene "aren't much of a commodore" is stupid. is that because they've had so much work done to them? so all the pro drifters are just using stock model imports are they? no they are using equally modified vehicles.

and generally, if something is easier to do something with, it is better. sure i could use the missus pulsar to tow a car on a trailer, but using a 4wd to tow it would be easier, and better. if i want to go mountain biking, sure i could take my road bike, but i would probably break it and it would be harder to control on the loose dirt. my mountain bike would handle the terrain easier, and better.

but at the end of the day, you are claiming that a NA skyline will teach a new driver things a commodore or falcon won't. this is false. hell, i'll even use your own theory as to why a commodore or falcon would make a better car to learn in. they don't handle or drift as well. so since your theory is that it takes more skill to drift a NA skyline than a turbo one, it will take even more skill to do it in a commodore or falcon. so they should learn in that.

you really need to hop down off your high horse and stop attacking people who disagree with your point of view. all of what you said is only your opinion and not fact. there is no hard evidence to say that drifting is better than other motorsport. just because it is fast growing just makes it popular, not better. otherwise we could say that the commodore is much better then the skyline because holden sells way more of them. it would also make the ADM r32 gtr one of the worst cars in australian history since they struggled to sell even 100 of them. to say that drifting is the cheapest for of motorsport is also totally false. it is harder on your car than going to track days. you have the added cost of extra tyres, etc. you can go to track days and not have to change tyres like when drifting, and you can have just as much fun without looking at times, etc. you can just go out and drive your car as fast as you can and have a good time. i'm not saying track days are better, just that drifting isn't the "best".

as for a 4wd maverick being the best drifting i've ever seen, don't think that i've never seen any high level drifting. i've seen plenty. but when you see someone getting big angle and linking corners in a big 4wd with off road tyres, then you have to give credit when credit's due. the skill involved to do that compared to a high powered, low slung sports car is much higher, so you, as a great believer in praising people in cars that are harder to drift than the norm, should bow down in admiration.

Ok in my drunken haze I will agree with mark....

Points a got from that:

*drifting is hardly a cheap sport

.... Stuff it I'm to drunk or this, get a v8 or a turbo or have fun getting beaten by magnas lol :D

When is school holidays over?

Soon hopefully... As I keep saying if you want to talk smack ill galdley meet anyone at qr or willowbank and you can prove to me I'm wrong, if not shut up and go chuck skids before u have to go back to school

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this Fryters character is as delusional about drifting as La Bomba is about his "JDM POWAAAA nostalgia mint export-grade-6 Silvia".

I'm actually quite ashamed to be an NA driver right now.

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as for a 4wd maverick being the best drifting i've ever seen, don't think that i've never seen any high level drifting. i've seen plenty. but when you see someone getting big angle and linking corners in a big 4wd with off road tyres, then you have to give credit when credit's due. the skill involved to do that compared to a high powered, low slung sports car is much higher, so you, as a great believer in praising people in cars that are harder to drift than the norm, should bow down in admiration.

i wanna see pics/vids of this maverick drift, i tried in dads patrol and it was the hardest thing to keep a slide in. even my fwd volvo with no handbrake could slide better/longer

Yeh I'd just like to see everyone's personal videos of them doing their sport whether is be drift, drag or circuit. Every one seems to be experts but again. No proof.

And using underwear out of vending machines? I was clearly talking about the car scene, good work!

Jump on shirtstuckedin.com guys. It's a blog, he travels to Japan all the time. He has over 40,000 followers because he understands drift an Japanese culture and understands n/a's are just as awesome in their own way.

Get rid o your redneck mindset that just cus it isn't fast that it is shit

And as with the school holidays quote, funny aye. You probs have a shit paying job and spend your night scrolling through chat roulette stroking yourself in front of guys.

Drifting an na is cheap btw. Like I said, I have had no dramas with my car, I use 2nd hand tyres and get them for free. And a morning session at qr costs 120. Please tell me how it is expensive?

Again, PLEASE LINK ME A VIDEO OF 'YOU' DOING BETTER BEFORE YOU TRY INSULT ME!

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theres plenty of footage from a lot of the senior members around if you look for it. But i dont think they need to prove themselves to some shmuck who signed up last week that derails a whole thread in order to perpetuate his participation in what he thinks is the superior automotive lifestyle. (the original questions was whether NA's are slow, the topic of drifting is irelephant)

and yes i know Casey from Shirtstuckedin, because you follow an underground car blog, that makes you more the expert than everyone else here?

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And as with the school holidays quote, funny aye. You probs have a shit paying job and spend your night scrolling through chat roulette stroking yourself in front of guys.

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Edited by alex182

lol after watching this thread for a while, i feel bad for fryters. All he originally said was "Na's arent that bad, although they arent fast, they are fun to drift". He wasnt in the wrong, he was making a claim that n/a's arent that bad from his personal experience You guys are the ones who went off topic by challenging him, causing this argument to take place and drift off topic. Then started ganging up on the kid. Even the moderator of this forum stated this topic was about how quick the N/As are but he himself started challenging fryters. Its no wonder his replys are starting to get aggressive, let the guy be jeeze. His a fellow car enthusiast like you, whose passion lies in drifting. So what if he has his opinions on commies, you guys are no different hating on the n/a's with your silly opinions. Seriously i joined this forum thinking people would respect and acknowledge everyone's opinions, turns out they just look down on you if they drive something better, looking for some stupid argument, i just saw another post of a guy asking if he should get a R33 or R34 GTR since he was stuck and didnt know which one to get, obviously he was looking for a fellow car enthusiast to help him out on this God forsaken forum, instead half the guys on that post started having a go at the op for no reason. Ill admit i was also in the wrong in this post, i did curse at one of the members but i apologized for it as well, he still ended up replying to me like a cock. As did a lot of you to fryters. Pathetic, all of you.

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