Will The R32 Gtr Become A Japanese Classic In Years To Come? Or Are There Just Too Many Of Them?

[The Bogan]

  On 08/01/2013 at 4:47 AM, goingforadds said:

I don't disagree with the v8 claim, but to say that will ring true in say the next few generations is a statement to be seen?

Considering the carby v8's of yester-year are dying out with our parents/ grand-parents generations, perhaps the rise of japanese imports will take their place?

do you feel there'll be a strong allegiance to v8's in this generation and the next? or will it be imports and turbo charged variants like the xr6 turbos?

Old Jap cars will have their place as they always have, but more along the lines of the old Price, 86 or Datto 1600.

The days of paying over inflated prices for "muscle cars" is over, sure you have to pay big dollars for a limited run car, but in the world of mass production there will not be many, its not like they only make a few thousand cars.

With the laws about modified cars now the kids are not getting so involved, and dads cannot go down the road and buy a "muscle car" for a reasonable price that the kids will want later in life.

Will the new fad in 20 yrs be a Holden XU8 on 85 or gas ?

Jap cars are good bang for your buck compared to local cars but thats about it really.

[mad082]

another thing to take into account when comparing a r32 gtr to something like the crazy prices of the XY GTHO phase III, etc, is the difference in build numbers. there were only 300 phase 3 built, with it rumoured that only about 100 remain. so it would only be something like an ADM r32 gtr that would get big money, or a N1 or Nur r34.

and what also lead to some of those aussie cars being worth so much was that some of them had original paperwork with them. i know that the bathurst monaro that sold for 220k or whatever it was had it's original sales reciept from the dealership. the owner had also kept it with plastic on the seats and it looked like it had never been driven (the guy that sold it at the shannons auction was a mate of my father in law).

[Hank Scorpio]

  On 07/01/2013 at 1:10 PM, Sinista32 said:

R34's.....Hmmm - Z Tune is the only one I'd persoanlly be keen on and rate.

What about the N1s rolling around like Chefs?

I also think that SOME modified cars will achieve the classic/cult status. I know of one particular Top Secret Gold R33 GT-R here in Australia that I would happily drop stupid money on in years to come

[Sinista32]

  On 07/01/2013 at 1:10 PM, Sinista32 said:

R34's.....Hmmm - Z Tune is the only one I'd persoanlly be keen on and rate.

  On 08/01/2013 at 11:03 AM, Hank Scorpio said:

What about the N1s rolling around like Chefs?

True true - didnt give that enough thought

[RS4StagMan]

  On 07/01/2013 at 6:18 AM, goingforadds said:

Hi everyone,

Was reading through a fast fours and rotaries today and there was a random comment made on a r32 gtr.

1. It's suggested clean examples are on their way to "becomming Japanese classics (in australia)," any thoughts on that?

2. Were there "too many" r32 gtr's made and/ or imported into australia for it too considered a potential "classic?"

3. or perhaps, could they become the equivalant of the Australian classics i.e. the monaro, torana or falcon gt-ho of pervious generations?

Thoughts?

Meta

1. Agree with emphasis on "on the way". Which Spec and How long it will take is another matter.

2. I agree with too many were made of the regular model for potential classic status, however in N1 Spec (worldwide demand) and Australian Delivered Spec ( Aust demand), I believe classic status AND desirability is assured.

3. They will never become the equivalent of the Australian Bathurst classics- that has already been reserved in motorsport history for the 70's cars, the pinnacle being the Falcon GTHO P3. They will however still be highly regarding in Australia and the world for their dominance in racing at the time.

[mjtown]

Here's an indication of the way things may be going:

A restored standard 1990 GT-R

2000 km travelled

Still with original tyres

JPY4,590,000 = AUD48,500

http://translate.goo...uKmga-OrYT5OBiw

1994 V-Spec II - unrestored and unmodified (apart from dealer fitted Mine's instrument cluster)

22,400 km travelled

Factory option original Sony 10-disc changer

JPY3,800,000 = AUD40,438

http://translate.goo...jeTSA1XB7UcbeVQ

1994 standard GT-R

49,000 km travelled

A lot of gadgets in the cockpit and leather seat covers but apparently stock other than that.

JPY2,690,000 = AUD28,625

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=ja&tl=en&u=http://ucar.autos.yahoo.co.jp/model/nissan/skyline-gtr/CU1072137119/%3Fpage%3D17&usg=ALkJrhiCTkLHuzvx6E0uB4EZzEu7IVv2ig#mnc

Not sure how much those would be landed in Australia and then sold on the local market.

[AshR34GTT]

Of course they will be.

[goingforadds]

  On 13/01/2013 at 3:57 AM, mjtown said:

Here's an indication of the way things may be going:

A restored standard 1990 GT-R

2000 km travelled

Still with original tyres

JPY4,590,000 = AUD48,500

http://translate.goo...uKmga-OrYT5OBiw

1994 V-Spec II - unrestored and unmodified (apart from dealer fitted Mine's instrument cluster)

22,400 km travelled

Factory option original Sony 10-disc changer

JPY3,800,000 = AUD40,438

http://translate.goo...jeTSA1XB7UcbeVQ

1994 standard GT-R

49,000 km travelled

A lot of gadgets in the cockpit and leather seat covers but apparently stock other than that.

JPY2,690,000 = AUD28,625

http://translate.goo...ZzEu7IVv2ig#mnc

Not sure how much those would be landed in Australia and then sold on the local market.

Interesting posts, I suppose this is one of those topics we should be re-hashing in say 20 years time? lol

[Sinista32]

1. Yes - in my opinion perhaps worth it today

2. I call BS

3. Very questionable. Better local examples

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

  On 08/01/2013 at 3:43 AM, Anfanee said:

there is a red ADM skyline.. hang on ill find the link.

The link i had is dead. It's bob red ADM immaculate car. What i would give for it. Also there is a 100% original 32 GTR for sale in japan that has been in a museum. 2000 GENUINE kms. you are talking cassette player and all... its going for 58k....

Hey Guys,

Thanks for the kind words........

I just tripped over this tread so i thought I post a couple of pics up for those who may not know what my cars look like.

Cheers,

Bob.

[Nee-san]

That's concourse

Is your red machine standard height Bob ?

Beautiful examples,

cheers.

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

  On 28/01/2013 at 3:39 AM, Nee-san said:

That's concourse

Is your red machine standard height Bob ?

Beautiful examples,

cheers.

Thanks mate.........

Yes the ADM is totally stock, that's why it looks like a praying mantis. :yucky:

The grey one has been lowered 30mm and actually looks stock.

I have the original springs for it but I am happy to leave them as they are for the moment.

Cheers,

Bob.

[M.C Ren]

At the moment i wouldn't consider an r32 gtr a classic car, maybe modern classic.

In my eyes id say they would start to hit classic between 2025-2029 or around 35 years plus.

[BoyWhoCriedWolf]

Terry has his ATCC R32 GTR up for sale. It'll be some solid coin but is a massive piece of Australian motorsport history.

[GTR-N1]

  On 08/01/2013 at 10:50 AM, mad082 said:

another thing to take into account when comparing a r32 gtr to something like the crazy prices of the XY GTHO phase III, etc, is the difference in build numbers. there were only 300 phase 3 built, with it rumoured that only about 100 remain. so it would only be something like an ADM r32 gtr that would get big money, or a N1 or Nur r34.

and what also lead to some of those aussie cars being worth so much was that some of them had original paperwork with them.

Thanks for that input Marcus.

Agreed about having original paperwork upping the value.

My N1 has original paperwork to the extent that all services done in Japan were done at Nissan Dealerships.

I'm aware that "Value" doesn't necessarily mean "Classic" - moreover, it is a reflection of it.

Furthermore, a "Classic" here, may not be a "Classic" in some other countries; and thus, may not hold value in those countries.

I therefore ask the question, "Should there be a term used or sloganed, "Universal Classic" whereby a car would be referred to as a "Classic" in more than say, 5 countries?"

And here's a sticky question, "Which cars would qualify?"

At least I like the way that Meta (aka goingforadds) has used the title "Japanese Classics..."

[Aussie_Delivered_R32_GTR]

  On 02/02/2013 at 9:02 PM, BoyWhoCriedWolf said:

Terry has his ATCC R32 GTR up for sale. It'll be some solid coin but is a massive piece of Australian motorsport history.

http://www.ecurieinvestments.com.au/godzilla

[v spec mat]

Any recent sales history on an N1? ADM?

[NISMO]

last N1 i saw would have been around $30k landed with 120000 on the clock, a couple of small mods and no log books.

ADM's can really vary as there have been immaculates go up around $60k and others are struggling to get high 30's

[warp speed]

One thing to consider is that next year R32's can be imported to the US. So there will be a increase in demand. There were only 40,000 R32 GTR's made. That's not many when you have to supply the whole world.

[v spec mat]

I better start saving then!