Engineers Certificate

[34GeeTeeTee]

im sure you have heard of SLEE?

Yeah i have heard the name, WHY is he still allowed to give defects if he is such a jerk? Or is that all over now thanks to you?

[Frosty]

Yeah i have heard the name, WHY is he still allowed to give defects if he is such a jerk? Or is that all over now thanks to you?

no this only happened to me in may last year....only just finished with all the bullshit bout xmas time. was an arse before he got to me

[Anfanee]

I'm like 90% you only need to engineer a car if you change the strength of the overall car. For example Cut front bar for intercooler piping. or cut away at the firewall for other lines etc. From what ive read most places stretch the rules of that to be a pain. To change turbos/wheels even piston rods doesn't need to be engineered. Huge waste of money and time considering they can still defect you.

[Philr32]

I'm like 90% you only need to engineer a car if you change the strength of the overall car. For example Cut front bar for intercooler piping. or cut away at the firewall for other lines etc. From what ive read most places stretch the rules of that to be a pain. To change turbos/wheels even piston rods doesn't need to be engineered. Huge waste of money and time considering they can still defect you.

Lol, in NSW apparent any non standard mod except window tint and wheels needs to be engineered. Mods like bigger turbo etc definitely do as it increased the cars power by more than 15% and changes the emissions. This is from what I have looked up and it been told by police and RTA inspectors. In saying that there is no clear set of rules anywhere, it's a disgrace. Currently everyone is going off what they have heard, so one blue slip inspector states from mounts are fine as long as you haven't cut anything to fit it and others say it needs to be engineered no matter what. But yes it worrying that I could go spend over $700 and still be "defectable".

[Anfanee]

Ill do more research. Got a few contacts . I don't understand how a change to the emissions would need engineering as long as it still passes the RTA test. The only reason i can think that power change needs engineering is some odd Brake rule. Stating stopping power vs engine Power. Even then it shouldn't matter. My dad mods cars left right and centre and has for over 30 years in NSW. The ONLY time he had to engineer a car was his R/T charger that he dropped a viper v10 into for the lulz. And the reason he had to get it engineered is because he put retractable seat belts in (They where fitted in the model year after and used the same mounts).

Like i said ill ask around and see if i can find the exact rule too. It's going to bug me as im looking at moving out of the act back into NSW and i really don't want to engineer my GTR

[Philr32]

ACT goes on VSB14 which other states are looking to adopt. NSW still goes on VSI 06, which is very unclear. Plus in the mean time everyone has adopted their own little rules etc that they like to "enforce". Another interesting read for NSW car enthusiasts is the notes on the motor enthusiast conference.

[Anfanee]

Alright. Found out. As long as your car Complies with the:

Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007

Vehicle Standards Bulletin 14 (VSB 14)

It DOESN'T require en engineer cert.

HOWEVER (and this is why you hear different things) from what i can see there is no clear way to show that a modified car does comply. Hence police/RTA are lazy and just tell you to get your car engineered.

In Conclusion=Farked.

If that helps you can read the clause that got you defected (from VSB 14) and check to see if it complies. If it does comply jut take a print out of that clause and go FK YOU HERE LOOK.

Hope that kinda helps.

Edited February 12, 2013 by Anfanee

[Anfanee]

ACT goes on VSB14 which other states are looking to adopt. NSW still goes on VSI 06, which is very unclear. Plus in the mean time everyone has adopted their own little rules etc that they like to "enforce". Another interesting read for NSW car enthusiasts is the notes on the motor enthusiast conference.

Acording to the NSW RTA website they use VSB14... So i think the RTA is a little confused as to what their rule is.

Also note: i actually read some of the clauses. If you dont't increase the power output by more than 20% you don't need one. However if you fit pretty much anything (Brakes is the big one) that isnt a factory option or made by the original manufacturer it does require one. SO pretty much you need an engineer cert for buying an import rofl...

Edited February 12, 2013 by Anfanee

[Anfanee]

Side note: ill stay in the ACT for now.

[Philr32]

Acording to the NSW RTA website they use VSB14... So i think the RTA is a little confused as to what their rule is.

Hmmmm yea I just read that too lol. I'm sure they used to say not to go off VSB14. Anyway they currently do use VSB 14 AND VSI 06 lol. Apparently as a result of the motoring enthusiast conference at EC there is meant to be a booklet coming out in regards to modifications to make it easier/simpler for us to understand what needs certification and what doesn't etc.

[Anfanee]

Well that would help

[Philr32]

Just printed VSI 06 and appropriate sections of VSB 14, got a lot of reading to do! Might hi-light some good sections for future reference.

[34GeeTeeTee]

Just printed VSI 06 and appropriate sections of VSB 14, got a lot of reading to do! Might hi-light some good sections for future reference.

Hi light any important parts and post here?

[Philr32]

Hi light any important parts and post here?

May be a little hard as its a paper copy or PDF. Anyone got an easy way and I'll do it.

[donut_kng]

Ok and if you don't mind me asking, what mods are you getting engineered?

a range of mods from suspension, turbo, 3L , intercooler holes, plenum, etc the works -

[34GeeTeeTee]

May be a little hard as its a paper copy or PDF. Anyone got an easy way and I'll do it.

Should be able to cut and paste off the PDF?

[Frosty]

Just printed VSI 06 and appropriate sections of VSB 14, got a lot of reading to do! Might hi-light some good sections for future reference.

keep some these things with you is the best thing.....because when they do the dodgy you can slap them in the face with that...like they way the measure the car etc

i used alot of those rulings in court and they didnt even know what half of them ment

[Philr32]

Some handy links for yourself.

Q&A from Motoring Enthusiast Conference (MEC)

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/eastern-creek-qa.pdf

Gazette list as mentioned in MEC

http://www.confederationofmotorclubs.org.au/pdf/gazettal.pdf

VSB14

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx

VSI 06

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/registration/downloads/vsi/vsi_06_-_guidelines_for_light_vehicle_modifications_nov_2007.pdf

[Philr32]

Should be able to cut and paste off the PDF?

Might be able to make something up.

[34GeeTeeTee]

Some handy links for yourself.

Q&A from Motoring Enthusiast Conference (MEC)

http://www.rta.nsw.g...rn-creek-qa.pdf

Gazette list as mentioned in MEC

http://www.confedera...df/gazettal.pdf

VSB14

http://www.infrastru...n/vsb_ncop.aspx

VSI 06

http://www.rta.nsw.g...ns_nov_2007.pdf

Saved them on file but if you make something up ill be sure to read