R34 Gtt Fwkw To Rwkw

[TR33GT-001]

Hello all.

Hope 2013 finds you well.

I have read a lot about owners believing that there was a magic percentage of 25%, for drivetrain losses, to allow a conversion from flywheel kW to wheel kW in a RWD platform.

I had always thought this was bunk.

Was suprised to compare two dyno sheets from my car over a three year period.

The 25% was pretty close.

Maybe it's just my car though.

Attached is a spreadsheet which progressively matched the dyno runs.

This is NOT the gospel, it's just what happened for my car.

Jim

KW to HPx.pdf

[R31Nismoid]

Haven't seen one of these threads in a while... This should be entertaining for tomorrow to read

[paulr33]

%25 sounds about right / resonable

[wolverine]

Oh noes!!

I think this will go on for a few pages. Those who mistakenly believe that there is a fixed percentage will get increasingly angry at those who believe there is a relatively fixed loss (with a very small increase in losses due to friction etc as power levels rise).

IBTL

[jet_r31]

^^number 2 for me

cheers

darren

Edited February 6, 2013 by jet_r31

[Sklyn]

hehe, you said number 2...... I say Poo...

[GTSBoy]

I say the "losses" are largely at the tyre/roller interface (it's the only place where you can liberate 50 - 200 HP where there is sufficient cooling to take the heat away). And in general, on a DD dyno, it's about 25% (including the real losses in the drivetrain, however small they are).

[xALmoN]

so, pray tell, how did you get flywheel power readings from after you've upped le boost?

[TR33GT-001]

so, pray tell, how did you get flywheel power readings from after you've upped le boost?

Hi xALmoN

Hope all is well.

The FW power noted, is only approximate.

It was proportioned to the original dyno run, when stock.

We slotted in the originally claimed 206FlyWkW, with a 154.4 RWkW actual dyno run, and kept the ratios the same all the way down the chart.

The interesting outcome, was keeping the same percentage of FWkW to RWkW on the second dyno run, resulted in exactly the right amount of RWkW.

Don't forget please, that I only posted this as a result for my car only. Not a gospel on how to convert FWkW to RWkW.

To be honest, there is so much involved in that conversion, I would have no hope of figuring it out (I'm a bit challenged)

It was just an interesting result.

What could actually be happening here is that the FlyWkW is going up or down faster as the power increases, and I wouldn't know it.

[Trozzle]

I think that the fact that a 'fixed percentage' can be debunked by eventual melting of gearboxes when you're in the 1000s of HP is a fairly certain indicator that it's not correct.

Perhaps for a given gearbox design, it's a percentage loss until a certain point? Who f**king cares anyway.

[t_revz]

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Look forward to checking this after work.

I generally tell ppl the Hp I make at thd wheels is about the kw it makes at the flywheel. While I don't believe its a fixed percentage most ppl are just looking for a number to compare to their car and its close enough and they have no idea what their car makes on a dyno so its much easier

[34GeeTeeTee]

I make 363rwkw but according to my calculation with drivtrain loss i should have Ova 9000rwkw

[Sklyn]

So if I have 250 rwkw and I up boost to make 280, do I then have a bowl of rice at the fly ??

[Missileman]

So if I have 250 rwkw and I up boost to make 280, do I then have a bowl of rice at the fly ??

Possibly but more than likely you will have a fly in your bowl of rice.

[KiwiRS4T]

Flash spreadsheet means nothing if the flywheel figure is a guess. I take it the engine has not been pulled out and put on a bench dyno each time ?

[discopotato03]

How about saying you get what you get at the wheels and without an engine dyno session you won't know or need to care whats at the crank . The only gas worth breathing says remove any losses possible and get on with life .

A .

[TR33GT-001]

I make 363rwkw but according to my calculation with drivtrain loss i should have Ova 9000rwkw

LOL I wish

[TR33GT-001]

So if I have 250 rwkw and I up boost to make 280, do I then have a bowl of rice at the fly ??

A bowl of rice AND BBQ prawns too. LOL

[TR33GT-001]

Can this thread be converted to a cooking lesson instead please.

LOL

[TR33GT-001]

Sorry admin. How about shutting down this post. I've learned my lesson.

I'll stick to DIY subjects from here on in.