Drag Radials

[GOT BOOST]

Ahh well lucky most of us on the forum seem happy with the HPI rules, no matter how silly it seems to others and with some of the 60ft's I've seen from the rwd imports 1.6-1.7 I really don't think it will hold anyone back unless they want a reason to whinge or an excuse as to why it didn't happen for them, In short if there car is set us right and they have the power they claim they do a radial tyre will do fine

yeah what he said

[2rismo]

i'm with that guy ^

Adrian

[whatsisname]

Ditto

[rev210]

I really don't think it will hold anyone back unless they want a reason to whinge or an excuse as to why it didn't happen for them...

Well if your saying no one has the right to complain either way, I think I agree too.

Let those who choose radials or cross ply street tyres do so without fear of disrespect, both are accepted regardless of HPI on these forums. Case closed

[2rismo]

Bingo.

Adrian

[BU5TER]

Well if your saying no one has the right to complain either way, I think I agree too.

Let those who choose radials or cross ply street tyres do so without fear of disrespect, both are accepted regardless of HPI on these forums. Case closed

hahaha :bs!: I don't accept the times run on cross ply tyres as being in the same category as times run on radial tyres, as street legal cross ply tyres include Mickey Thompson ET Streets which are a cheater slick no matter how you want to sugar coate the words and I think you'll find most will agree with me or if you like we can start a poll then the Case will be closed

they even come with a warning " WARNING: ET Street tires have passed D.O.T. requirements but have reduced tread depth and compounds designed for racing. Due to the reduced tread depth these tires should be used on dry pavement only and are not suitable for normal highway use!"

[rev210]

hahaha :bs!: I don't accept the times run on cross ply tyres as being in the same category as times run on radial tyres, as street legal cross ply tyres include Mickey Thompson ET Streets which are a cheater slick no matter how you want to sugar coate the words and I think you'll find most will agree with me or if you like we can start a poll then the Case will be closed

 

they even come with a warning " WARNING: ET Street tires have passed D.O.T. requirements but have reduced tread depth and compounds designed for racing. Due to the reduced tread depth these tires should be used on dry pavement only and are not suitable for normal highway use!"

I'd like to remind you that the argument started with all 'crossplys' in general not just ET's.

Having said that it's still a street tyre I'm afraid, even if it is a rather bald one. I understand why I wouldn't want them on my car but, I also understand why people choose them for the sunny sunday cars they drive to the drags.

Lets face it, the argument is over a tyre that you drag race on and drive home on.

I also think if we are talking about crossply's we should mention hoosier (chain link tread) too. If you discriminate against all non radials you lock out Indy profiles and sportsmans in the Mickey T range all of which you might see on a historic muscle car driving around the road.

I'd like to think imports are fast enough even on radials to be put next to the historic 1/4mile blasters of history like the Barrcuda BO29 and others that had only crossply technology. I think they are so I don't see the point in the winge about it being a cheaters tyre. History makes the winger out to be grossly misinformed.

What are you afraid of?

[BU5TER]

Thats twice now you've made reference to muscle cars and crossply tyres, I can't for the life of me work out what it has to do with RADIAL TYRES and SKYLINES or imports full stop in a Skyline forum

Last time I checked this is a Skyline forum and the question asked was from a person that drives a R32 not a historic Mustang that may agree with your ideas

And if you really want to face facts the arguement is now that most people don't think a crossply tyre should be in the same category as radial tyres in our SAU drag records or HPI records ... NOTE not historic races or USA muscle cars ... and no matter how you want to argue about it in the long run majority rules

Misinformed ... me ... hahaha I've ran the times on radial tyres in my Skyline have you? Oh thats right you love to quote what it could of done, not what its has done like I can maybe it was fear holding you back???

[MrBlonde]

Hope someone can help me out with contact details for suppliers of BF Goodrich drag radials and Nitto drag radials in Sydney?

Ideally I want a drag radial to fit a 15"x10" wheel as close as possible to 26" tall. If I can't get somethign decent there I'll have to use my 18"x10" wheels instead.

Appreciate any help.

[BU5TER]

mate I'm the person who wished you luck on Saturday, which you arrogantly replied no luck needed or was it luck has nothing to do with it hahaha either way maybe you should of been a touch friendlier

Any BF Goodrich Sports tyre store can order them in for you, the Nitto's are pretty scarce now as there isn't a Aus supplier

[MrBlonde]

mate I'm the person who wished you luck on Saturday, which you arrogantly replied no luck needed or was it luck has nothing to do with it hahaha either way maybe you should of been a touch friendlier

Any BF Goodrich Sports tyre store can order them in for you, the Nitto's are pretty scarce now as there isn't a Aus supplier

Hehe, no arrogance intended, just my warped sense of humour!

[BU5TER]

hahaha fair enough, its the BFGoodrich Performance Specialist stores you want to contact http://www.bfgoodrich.com.au/html/dealer.australia

The Nittos most of us NSW guys are using were imported privately and passed on to a few of the bigger work shops in Sydney to sell, as far as I know there are none left and he's not planning on importing any more

BF Goodrich do a 275/75/15 which is exactly what your after and from all reports they are as good if not better then the nitto's anyway

[Benno]

If you want to run radials and know that you wont run a Qtr as fast, then that’s up to you. Don’t complain about it and make excuses about “I run radials etc.” At the end of the day, it’s the ET that counts. How you get it is up to you.

[R33vit]

Tempie Tyres can get the Nitto's in for you.. Long wait but

[rev210]

Thats twice now you've made reference to muscle cars and crossply tyres, I can't for the life of me work out what it has to do with RADIAL TYRES and SKYLINES or imports full stop in a Skyline forum

Last time I checked this is a Skyline forum and the question asked was from a person that drives a R32 not a historic Mustang that may agree with your ideas

And if you really want to face facts the arguement is now that most people don't think a crossply tyre should be in the same category as radial tyres in our SAU drag records or HPI records ... NOTE not historic races or USA muscle cars ... and no matter how you want to argue about it in the long run majority rules  

Misinformed ... me ... hahaha I've ran the times on radial tyres in my Skyline have you? Oh thats right you love to quote what it could of done, not what its has done like I can maybe it was fear holding you back???

Let me see if I can follow your logic.

In the first parragraph you ask what muscle cars have to do with skylines.

It looks like you are saying that a principle that applies to other cars of different brand or make, or country of origin to a skyline does not apply.

I have used the muscle car example of the 'street crossply' only because it's one that easily recognised. A concept which may be transfered to a skyline for possible increased performance over the 1/4 mile.

In the next parragraph.

you are saying that the crossply and radial are in different categories. In previous posts you suggest that one is a street class tyre the other is not.

I don't see why such a poor philosophy and argument should be adopted by our drag racing members? It's true that majority rules, they just aren't necessarily right.

Finally,

You sugest that not having done something in a skyline it makes you misinformed. If I say that according to the theory of gravity when I drop an apple it will fall, according to your logic I will remain misinformed until I drop an apple. Even if I drop pears and bannanas. Because I have driven faster cars than yours over the 1/4mile to better times (and for your information I have) doesn't mean I know more than you. I don't need that fact to make an argument.

I'm sure I'm misinformed about quite alot of things I am yet to be pointed out on. The crossply considered a street tyre is not one of them.

I'd like to remain open minded about this. So if there is some argument I haven't considered please enlighten me. I am happy to learn new things.

[MrBlonde]

hahaha fair enough, its the  BFGoodrich Performance Specialist stores you want to contact

The Nittos most of us NSW guys are using were imported privately and passed on to a few of the bigger work shops in Sydney to sell, as far as I know there are none left and he's not planning on importing any more

BF Goodrich do a 275/75/15 which is exactly what your after and from all reports they are as good if not better then the nitto's anyway

Thanks for your help dude!

When I look at the BFG sites it is a bit confusing. The Comp TA Drag Radials seem to be giving way to gForce TA Drag Radial.

Anyway after much phoning I have some 275/50 R15 at 25.9" tall Comp TA drag radials on the way over the Tasman due to arrive Monday 21/6 in Melbourne. From there to Sydney by Tuesday 22/6 ready for the next WSID street meet, God willing and the creeks don't rise.

[MrBlonde]

If you want to run radials and know that you wont run a Qtr as fast, then that’s up to you. Don’t complain about it and make excuses about “I run radials etc.” At the end of the day, it’s the ET that counts. How you get it is up to you.

Yeah, I am aware that you usually drop the trap speed to gain ETs when changing from street tyres to DRs or slicks.

I am perfectly willing to trade down from 132 mph to get into the 11s. I'm also wondering if the traps will drop given that I'm wheelspinning in all five gears on the street tyres.

I'm probably more likely to hit the rev limiter in top gear (136.8 mph with 275/50 R15 DRs), unless the DRs grow a tad like slicks?

[2rismo]

The Comp TA Drag Radials seem to be giving way to gForce TA Drag Radial.

The Comp TA's are what you're after, dude. Check out some pics of Nabil's 8THSIN Supra launching on the size you're talking about and you'll be immediately convinced. The gForce radials from BFG are designed with the American FWD market in mind. This is demonstrated by the sizes in which they are available. That's not to say that they don't ALSO suit a RWD arrangement (see Ben from UAS's MR2 for more).

Good luck at the next street meet. Hope to see you there. And remember... Luck is ALWAYS part of the equation

Adrian

[MrBlonde]

The Comp TA's are what you're after, dude.  Check out some pics of Nabil's 8THSIN Supra launching on the size you're talking about and you'll  be immediately convinced.  The gForce radials from BFG are designed with the American FWD market in mind.  This is demonstrated by the sizes in which they are available.  That's not to say that they don't ALSO suit a RWD arrangement (see Ben from UAS's MR2 for more).

Good luck at the next street meet.  Hope to see you there.  And remember... Luck is ALWAYS part of the equation

Adrian

Hee hee, you're right about luck Adrian!

I've got Comp TAs on the way so hopefully they'll be on the car next Wednesday. I've never launched with DRs so I've got a bit of learning to do there. With my street tyres anything over 2,200RPM on launch was a smokefest. I'd love to be able to launch higher ...

What sort of pressure should I try for starters on DRs with a 2900 lb car? And what sort of burnout if any makes sense for DRs?

[2rismo]

2900lb is lighter than my R33 and I run 13-14psi in the Nitto's. I'd try 18psi in them to start with and *maybe* drop it to as far as 12 from there. Obviously you'd do that in increments to guage the best pressure.

As far as burnouts go, I have never been one for massive smoke-shows. In fact, I have read on American Supra & Mustang forums that the BF's require only a small burnout to get them to an acceptable operating temperature. Take the marketing with a grain of salt as when they say, "Little or no burnout req'd" they are REALLY trying to say, "These things wear out fuggin' quick and if you don't shred them, they'll last longer."

Also, you should find that you don't have to do as big a burnout as the first one during the course of a day. They do actually retain some heat.

In terms of launching, I have absoluteley no idea what will work well with your car. Radial tyres, (soft compound or not) don't behave in the same balooning type of way as drag slicks due to their radial construction. The radial belts hold the shape for road driving as well as race driving.

They do however squat like a bastard!!

Good luck mate!!

Adrian