Ecu Ecu Ecu Which One !!!!! ????????

[exXU1]

Please any one one with expertise in this area ,comment.

I will start with - it,s a shame i can't get some one who is non bias ( not trying to sell me the unit ) and with honest experience when it come s to ECU's.

I have GTR R32. Single Gt 35 r turbo and allsorts of other normal mods. Hasn't turned over yet,have done away with AFM's and plumb back etc. Want to stay this way for a few reasons.

Have been told , big mistake should have retained AFMS etc and gone Apexi.

nice tidy tune ,good clean Hp and the best knock sensors around ?

On the other hand , get rid of BLa Bla. Go Wolf 3d .

The problem lies with a few chaps here in WA says there all the go , on the other hand i also here that they have problems with detonation, so they tend to tune them conservatively. That gives me an uneasy feeling. The Wolf has a nick name the Hiary goat ( rough as ). Is this old hat and the new Wolf a far better unit.or - should one go motech or Michrotech with NO AFMS.

what's the honest general concensus out there guys,what's the best way to go here ??Money is a concern but not the be all end all!

[B-Man]

You know what - this is my theory.......

There are Very Good ECUs, good ECUs and Ordinary ECUs -

Also there are Very Good Tuners, OK Tuners and Bad Tuners

Try going with a Good ECU and a Very Good Tuner and you will be OK

What I am trying to say is that the type of ECU is not the only consideration.

I would assume that Very Good ECUs are out of your budget - ie Motec, Autronic.

PFC Pro doesn't need AFMs , I understand

I use Microtech - and have not had one problem with it - LTX-12 - Good Fuel consumption - good cold start & idle control - and a few more little extras too.

[raz0r$harP.UK]

hehe..went thru the same deal..was going to get Greddy, then was told to get Link, then to get Apexi..etc etc

So like B-Man said, make sure you find a tuner who is confident with whatever you end up with.

[GTS500]

I have lost a couple of motors now and the only thing that is the same and let me down every time is the Aytronics computer and cdi unit(sux's ass).A large number of gtr's and gts skylines in Perth run wolf v4+ and have had no problems.C-red gtrrrr has a wolf installed and is running 670 hp,nd4spd runs 687hp and also runs wolf with no problems.I also have heard all the rummors but have not seen them first hand,i have spoken to many people with the wolf's installed and all seem happy and wouldn't use anything else,ask the end users in perth and if its all good give it a go.i just cut the autronics out of my car with a pair of side cutters and would strongly recommend any other computer besides Autronic.

There are also a lot of other people in perth that have pulled out autronics because of there bad experience's John Walligan with the gtr that races at wannaroo,Koong with the 26 powered 240z,1000hp supra at sst just to name a few,there are many others.

My 2 cents

[N I B]

Only PPL that bag Wolf is PPL that dont sell them.

Jades Blue GTR ran 11.2 last nite with a single plain bearing turbo and a Wolf plugin so we didnt tune that to soft and the most powerful GTRs in perth have Wolf .ND4SPD 682rwhp

GTAAH 671rwhp,Jades GTR 452rwhp Adam brewers GTR 458rwhp did have a PFC(402rwhp) but has a wolf now (the PFC is for sale if you want it) Got boost did 11.5 with a wolf and 2wd. Fabs GTR has a Wolf And Danny Now is changing .No GTR in WA has done what ND4SPD has done and its done many very hard miles.No other GTR in WA has matched the top few of these cars with any other ECU. Fact. Next best had a Jap tuned ECU and exploded at 550rwhp so dont believe what ppl say if they cant come up with cars to prove it.Gav Beers GTR is now going wolf also so we have his PFC for sale.

We have Shootout graphs and time cards plus many trophys and the cars for all to see.

[rb25]

PowerFC D-Jetro version uses MAP sensor. maybe an option.

[N I B]

Wholagans spent 3 years and wild cash on there ECU in there GTR race car then fitted a Wolf and the car was fixed first time.

[usuckpoo]

U can buy a kit from Apexi that enables the newer pfcs to run map sensor operation thus negating the need for the AFMs (if u want to run it that way)

[sewid]

Have been told , big mistake should have retained AFMS etc and gone Apexi.

nice tidy tune ,good clean Hp and the best knock sensors around ?

What does the ECU have to do with the knock sensors? The hardware is already there, the ECU just plugs into it.

In fact the Apexi is crap at this as it will tell you the engine is pinging its tits off but wont/cant do anything about it (automatically retard timing etc) like the stock ECU will.

I think that would've been a good option on the PowerFC but anyway... back to the topic...

[exXU1]

Hey thanks to all you guys out there for your interest, i think it's something we all probably go thru .It's hard decision to make and ones simply got to make the correct chioces. i am leaning towards the Wolf or Apexi d jetro, the only problem there is who can tune the Apexi properly here in Perth?

Thanks Steve from SST, I know i have discussed this with you,but one needs to make sure and you do have the state distributor ship! Never the less if i can get a good quality tune with you then --- I'll go the WOLF !

sincere thanks to you all and have fun!

[N I B]

We have datalogit software for PFC and tune many PFCs with them also.

[kwazza11]

i've been trying to decide which ecu to go with too, problem is everyone states how much HP they make with the ecu but cant get much info on daily-drivability, fuel consumption (closed loop?), engine protection, etc etc.

i want to try and maintain the stock ecu's drivability, is this possible?

[N I B]

Then Wolf and PFC are your only option.

Both setup right will match factory or better.ND4SPD is better on fuel when driving normally than my stock GTR but still makes 682rwhp.

I can arrange wolf test drives for WA PPL.

If yuor can drives bad and your dealer cant fix it then you can plug your stocker back in with plugin ECUs.

[kwazza11]

ok just had a read through the wolf website, sounds good, noticed theres only 4 ignition outputs on the v4 (unless you get the plus).

can you get a plugin v4 plus for the rb20det?

what cost am i looking at to get one with the hand controller?

[N I B]

The Plugins have 6 ign outputs.They are avalible for R31 Skylines on.

[kwazza11]

does the wolf plugin do away with the AFM?

[craz0]

does the wolf plugin do away with the AFM?

Yes, but it also can be tuned to take AFM's if you want.

[FATGTS-R]

Steve sst.

You said that there is a wolf plug in for the R31 onwards.

When you say R31 are you meaning the import red top rb20det engines or the australian spec rb30 models or both?

[N I B]

It will plugin to any 31 plug but some models need pins swapped around.

A good dealer can sort it for you.

[GeeTR]

Add my bit,

" Have been told , big mistake should have retained AFMS etc and gone Apexi.

nice tidy tune ,good clean Hp and the best knock sensors around ?"

I think he was talking about the inability of the Wolf to input the stock knock sensor, and display ... which is fair enough, as I assume the chipset to decipher the piezo noise, would be expensive, and rely on overseas bits, where the Wolf would use more basic PCB component list. (Please feel free to abuse my heritage if you can correct me.)

I was told by Wolf "if u tune it properly, you shouldn’t need a knock light" Sure, though its like not have a fuel gauge, and relying on memory for refills.

"If done right"? Tune changes; fuel quality, temperature differentials, ( which reminds me, does the FC have intake temp correction?). Further yet, most of us, I assume tweak our own gear, and appreciate the extra diagnostic, even if u cant rely on it 100%

Or I could be totally misled on this piece of mental splat, and require a spanking