Jump to content
SAU Community

Recommended Posts

This morning tried pull ups again..

13

10

9

7

Welcome to the inconsistent world of pull-ups lol. Being body weight, your numbers will fluctuate with what you eat that day :thumbsup:

  • 1 month later...

Awesome thread, can't believe I didn't see it earlier!

I noticed earlier in the thread there were some chin-up numbers thrown in too, so I'll include those as well as my pull-up numbers. With my current training program, I only have 1 working set, which is further broken down in to 3 "rest pause" sets. Google Doggcrapp training for a better explanation. Cliff notes..... You do your first working set. Go to absolute failure, drop down, 10 - 15 deep breaths. Failure again, more deep breaths. Failure again, then you're done.

So.. at a height of about 175cm, and a body weight of 92kg @ around 13%bf...

Pull ups:

15

12

9

Chin ups:

22

17

13

To give a bit of insight... I was doing these same numbers at 85kg (about 2 months ago), so I'm quite happy with my strength progress. Will try 'normal' sets soon, with a bit of time in between each set, instead of my current 15 seconds or so.

Edited by Dajae

Not impossible but very unlikely...more plausible that by 200 in a row he means 200 in succession. Ala what many people I know claim similarly with push-ups, when they really mean sets...

I've seen those videos of those ripped Russian kids who do nothing but pull-ups all day and weigh <60kg, they usually top out below 100. But you do tend to find towards the end that they sit in a dead hang as a rest between reps.

He said they are proper, arm straight full length pull ups. I kept saying are you sure? He said yes. Said he trains 4 to 5 hours a day. 2 hours is boxing specific training the rest is hitt cardio and upper body training he said he does mainly cable work too.

Agreed. Possible, but very unlikely. To have numbers like that would put him into that "elite" bracket. How much does he weigh do you think? Anyone training 4 - 5 hours a day, is either blessed with amazing superb genetics, not training hard enough, or on steroids.

But hey.. tell him to make a video. That'll put a sock in our mouths eh?

Would actually love to see a video of it, not just to prove a point on the internet, but would be pretty amazing just to see it. Talk about a blood pump...

Speaking of pull-ups, in my current state I'm pulling

20

15

10

This is after being sick and taking a month off. So I've lost strength, but have also lost a few kg to balance that out...thus similar numbers to pre-sickness. It's quite a strange feeling actually, the difference in the motion compared across two different body weights.

Indeed! It would be quite the accomplishment... Especially if he actually weighs a fair bit. I mean, rock climbers that weigh <60kgs have no issue doing 30 - 50, but a big boxer doing 200? Damn.

Nice numbers man! With the pronated grip, I like going wide to hit more upper back and rhomboid action.. As a result, my elbows tend to get a little sore.

Do you get the same as this? Or are your pull ups done with only a slightly wider than shoulder width grip? If I bring my pronated grip in somewhat, I can manage a few more reps (18), but I feel it less in the upper back, and more in my forearms.

Anyone here like neutral grip pull ups? I find these to be the best of both worlds.

My pull-ups are neutral grip. I used to do wide pronated, but after (a likely unrelated) shoulder injury, I started back on pull-ups with a neutral grip for less strain on the injury. Can probably do a couple more reps this way than wide, but it does still feel like a complete motion. I feel like you can get a slight rowing benefit too, without kipping the legs up, as you can easily change the angle of your body using longitudinal hand grip (if you have the strength) and leg position to hold that angle in place. It definitely hits the abs/core hard.

Between those and deadlifts I don't feel the need to do much else, except maybe something for rear delts.

Ah ok, nice work. You're definitely right in regards to shoulder friendly benefits.. much kinder than wide pronated.

For all my pull ups/chins, I keep my legs out straight in front of me, at an angle. I find it helps keep more tightness throughout the motion, and yes, very good stimulus in the core region.

I wish I could just get away with deads and squats for "frontal core" strength.... eg abs... However my physio advised me to include some form of weighted 'crunch' movement (back friendly variety) as my lower back tends to be much stronger than the opposite muscles..

Face pulls are great for rear delts and shoulder health. Ever had much experience doing them?

In terms of that crunch movement, assuming I know what you're talking about, three recommendations for exercises I've enjoyed on the front side:

1. Captains chair leg raises, as many of these "machines" keep the lower back static with pads and, provided you have no hip issues, shouldn't give you any injuries beyond a stretched hamstring from raising too high. I usually do it after deadlifts to finish off abs, but coincidentally it's a good stretch for the hamstrings after getting them tightened on deads.

2. I have a nautilus type crunch machine that is basically a seated crunch. You can keep adding weight to it and I felt my abdominal wall develop some real thickness to it using this. Didn't take me long to max out the weight stack for 20 reps but the problem is that, like all machines, if your body isn't proportionate to it (even though it's adjustable), you can cause yourself some damage at high weights because of the rigid motion...which sounds more ironic than it is. My lower back got a bit twitchy after prolonged use of this one, though maybe I was too focused on doing more weight and lost my technique in trying to leverage it.

3. Kneeling crunches on the tricep pushdown (for lack of the proper term for this exercise), where you kneel on the ground, hold a pushdown rope behind your head and do crunches towards the ground.

I've given face pulls a go and they felt very awkward and it did mess with the joints a bit - could have been a bad angle. I must try again since my shoulder has advanced a bit. It would probably help to have someone watch and advise if I'm doing them properly, too, as all well and good to think you are doing it but it can look very different!

In terms of that crunch movement, assuming I know what you're talking about, three recommendations for exercises I've enjoyed on the front side:

1. Captains chair leg raises, as many of these "machines" keep the lower back static with pads and, provided you have no hip issues, shouldn't give you any injuries beyond a stretched hamstring from raising too high. I usually do it after deadlifts to finish off abs, but coincidentally it's a good stretch for the hamstrings after getting them tightened on deads.

2. I have a nautilus type crunch machine that is basically a seated crunch. You can keep adding weight to it and I felt my abdominal wall develop some real thickness to it using this. Didn't take me long to max out the weight stack for 20 reps but the problem is that, like all machines, if your body isn't proportionate to it (even though it's adjustable), you can cause yourself some damage at high weights because of the rigid motion...which sounds more ironic than it is. My lower back got a bit twitchy after prolonged use of this one, though maybe I was too focused on doing more weight and lost my technique in trying to leverage it.

3. Kneeling crunches on the tricep pushdown (for lack of the proper term for this exercise), where you kneel on the ground, hold a pushdown rope behind your head and do crunches towards the ground.

I've given face pulls a go and they felt very awkward and it did mess with the joints a bit - could have been a bad angle. I must try again since my shoulder has advanced a bit. It would probably help to have someone watch and advise if I'm doing them properly, too, as all well and good to think you are doing it but it can look very different!

For the leg raises, I could never seem to feel it adequately enough in my abdominal muscles.. My hips always felt like they were doing more of the work. I tried a variation where I would hold a light dumbbell between my ankles, and with a bend at my knees, I would raise my upper legs up, and then try to "tuck up" my pelvis to my chest.. Seemed to work a little better for me.. However when a few friends tried, it had the opposite effect! Strange how everyone reacts so differently at times.

Yeah nice.. I have something similar, a weight plate loaded hammer strength crunch machine. Really like this machine.. The machines upper and lower portions are required to move, rather than just the upper/lower without the other. Definitely noticed some more "popping out" action with these!

Ahhh yes.. I love cable crunches. Such a good exercise if the form is good, ie, no swinging motion. The fact that it can be weight resisted is also a big win for me. I always believed that if you're training the rest of your body against a resistance (usually increasing weight), then the same should be done for the core. Planks with a 20kg plate resting on my glutes is also good for some isometric strength.

Face pulls can be tricky that's for sure! Found out I was doing them wrong for quite some time. Here is a video I found which helped me...


(couldn't get the linking feature thing to work :/ but if you go on youtube and search "face pull technique", the video by scott herman fitness is the one )

I'll watch you

:ninja:

Lol'd so hard. That emoticon is so good.

Edited by Dajae
  • Like 1

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now



  • Similar Content

  • Latest Posts

    • Pfft. As if I'd ever point a high pressure washer at my car.
    • The nature of my commute has changed. Way back then it was traffic lights all the way, for ~28km. It sucked. When they finally stitched the expressway together I could do a good 15+km of it at a steady 80-100 with no stopping. That alone has gotten me down to flat 10s. Prior to that it was mid-high 10s. I can't remember the delta that I saw when I got the idle down. It was only ~150 rpm, because the idle speed was never terrible, but for the delta in consumption to be noticeable it would have had to have been at least 0.2-0.3 L/100km - which is not to be sneezed at when it comes for absolute free. It's only about 50L per year, but that's ~$100. A few extra pizzas is always welcome. Note that I have a record of every tank of fuel that has ever gone through my car except for a handful put in by someone else, like my mechanic. I can show you the difference between stock RB20 and tuned RB20, stock RB5Neo and tuned, winter and summer fuel blends, winter and summer fuel blends when the ambient temperature is not appropriate for the blend, working O2 sensor, blown O2 sensor, boosting f**k out of it and frightened to boost it because it is pinging, and so on. OK, I probably can't do all that now with 100% clarity - but at the time when any of those things were in event, you could see it in the records. There's 25+ years of simple tank after tank records, so you have to look for landmarks to work out approximately how old any single record is. What's really important is the meta data and that lives in my head.
    • If you're claiming the issues are not skyline specific, then either the USA is living in the 90s / early 2000s, OR you have the issue of "survivor bias". Which is you're mainly hearing and listening to those with terrible experiences, and haven't found the guys who have cars with good decent builds and no problems. It happens in AU too, that plenty of people keep having issues, and they keep going to the workshops that are known to be shit "because I read on the internet". Even worse, are those who keep posting on the internet as though they know for a fact what something is, when they've never touched/looked at said item in their life, and again are making assumptions, based on something they read, or because it's a certain way in other cars. It's even funnier when those same people debate the facts with the people who've lived and breathed this stuff for over 15 years. Example, I've had someone tell me you can't do something with a Skyline, because they read it on the internet, except I can tell they're wrong, as I did that exact thing back in 2008 with my Skyline.
    • The funniest part I saw, was someone would bitch and moan on FB about something, Andy would be the one to respond, asking for more info, if he could contact them, what the engine setup is, what their config file was, and 95% of the responses were people just going "der! It doesn't work" and Andy going "What doesn't work?" And then going "The firmware!" And they'd go around in circles as no one could ever give information, and Haltech couldn't fault things on the bench, (especially when people wouldn't give any specifics).   Many moons ago, when Andy was back at e420c stage, he reached out to me, and asked me to test different plug and play looms for him (already had an e420c in the car on his V1 PNP loom). And he kept asking me, as I was competent enough to be able to give him some specific feedback on what was/wasn't working, how to replicate the faults etc, and work through things with him. Most people are terrible at answering the questions they're asked, or being able to provide quality feedback other than "it doesn't work".
    • I say it often, none of this stuff is really Skyline-specific per se. But in general there's not a lot of people who actually know what they're doing. A lot of people charging like they do. Agile software development probably isn't the greatest idea for an engine controller.
×
×
  • Create New...