Deadlift Progress And Improvement Thread

[Birds]

Fkn lol @ dishwasher loading and unloading...between that and washing my hands at a short basin, deadlift DOMS and any other back pain can go to hell.

I'm far from lifting at your level Nick, and I hope this doesn't sound demotivating...but my recent shoulder injury has made me consider how far I want to go with lifting weights, before I'm lifting with a signficantly greater degree of risk to my body and everyday life. All well and good for me to brag about what I could bench when I was in my 20s, but if I can't raise my arm above my shoulder in my 40s, I don't want any part in it.

I remember being pissed off at plateauing on a 115kg bench. Now I'd be happy just being able to bench my body weight. Guess it's like gambling at a casino...you always want to win more, but then you end up down, and all you want is the money back that you came in with.

I realise some are passionate about their sport, to the point where nothing will keep them from it. Respect for that...but me...I'd like to think I know when to fold em. Life goes on outside of the gym; food for thought. Hope you make a speedy recovery and back to breaking PBs / competing in lifting

[NickR33]

guys have come back stronger from much worse... Wayne who is in his mid 40's broke his back falling off a roof a few years ago... deadlifts heavy now with no issues... you look at most athletes, they've had bad injuries throughout their career and come back to perform just as well if not better... I guess you just have to be patient with recovery and make sure you do all the right things

I still think weight training is the fountain of youth... I'd rather have aches and pains from lifting but be in great shape than have aches and pains from being sedentary while slowly atrophying/decaying

do you need to still get in there and try and get PBs etc... probably not but it's what keeps me coming back

I'm 31... I'm nowhere near ready to fold 'em... f*ck giving up on doing anything exceptional and becoming like every other drone who spends all day avoiding anything potentially scary or dangerous... that's not living that's just avoiding death

all you fckers with healthy backs get in there and deadlift... then post your improvement in this thread

[TTT]

that is almost as good as the freedom speech by Mel

Edited May 30, 2013 by TTT

[L33SH]

^ word.

[TTT]

Leesh.

When there are multiple words in a row, it is refered to as a sentence.

Hope that helps.

[Birds]

guys have come back stronger from much worse... Wayne who is in his mid 40's broke his back falling off a roof a few years ago... deadlifts heavy now with no issues... you look at most athletes, they've had bad injuries throughout their career and come back to perform just as well if not better... I guess you just have to be patient with recovery and make sure you do all the right things

I still think weight training is the fountain of youth... I'd rather have aches and pains from lifting but be in great shape than have aches and pains from being sedentary while slowly atrophying/decaying

do you need to still get in there and try and get PBs etc... probably not but it's what keeps me coming back

I'm 31... I'm nowhere near ready to fold 'em... f*ck giving up on doing anything exceptional and becoming like every other drone who spends all day avoiding anything potentially scary or dangerous... that's not living that's just avoiding death

all you fckers with healthy backs get in there and deadlift... then post your improvement in this thread

Not talking about giving things up altogether, I just mean being happy with a certain level of lifting that keeps you healthy, cause in the gym you always want more and more.

But I have the same attitude as you towards life when I ride my motorbike at 200 clicks plus; it's not worth living if I can't take the risk. If breaking PBs is what keeps you coming back, then more power to you Nick.

I've just seen a hell of a lot of middle aged and older people who did marathons in their youth, trained beyond injuries and now have very painful daily lives because they have screwed knees etc. I'd like to be able to kick a football with any kids I have or just be able to get up in the mornings without a struggle. That's where I prompt us to ask the question if it's worth years and years of potential pain for the pub story of our achievements. If th answer is yes then I look forward to seeing your personal records broken and faster lap times around PI for me

[rev210]

..but my recent shoulder injury has made me consider how far I want to go with lifting weights, before I'm lifting with a signficantly greater degree of risk to my body and everyday life. All well and good for me to brag about what I could bench when I was in my 20s, but if I can't raise my arm above my shoulder in my 40s, I don't want any part in it

The consideration of how far to go is really good. Building a solid plan for that limit is the next step. This includes how strong supporting muscles should be and the priority of training them.

I remember being pissed off at plateauing on a 115kg bench. Now I'd be happy just being able to bench my body weight. Guess it's like gambling at a casino...you always want to win more, but then you end up down, and all you want is the money back that you came in with

You can exceed that limit easy enough. The injury was at a weak link so it's less about bench pressing causing it and more about the underdevelopment or readiness of the rotator. I think you will find learning and adapting to that understanding will see incidental gains. The 115kg could be a warm up in time to come. Then again maybe you don't need to lift heavy if you just like the asthetics of chest development. Then you can dispense of the risk and stick to an efficient level of weight or skip bench altogether.

You have the opportunity to recover and be more than you were or at least stronger where it counts , in knowledge.

I'm going ok at 40, so I reckon you will be right once you get there mate ha ha..

Edited May 30, 2013 by rev210

[Birds]

Good advice as always, rev. It certainly helps, me being more about aesthetics than numbers. My injury, I'm certain came from boxing and simply aggravated by the presses. I've recovered quite well - loving the rehab / stabiliser strengthening exercises and I will be keeping them up for as long as I continue to gym. Hopefully they help me to avoid future injuries.

Not long and I'll be back to pressing...but however temporary it may be, the injury has given me an alternative view to "f**k the world, nothing can stop me" that I used to have when training. It really was that debilitating and, any long term version of it, I'd rather not have to put up with in life for the sake of big numbers. There are too many other things I love in life that need those joints to be healthy and intacf. Guess I'm just more "careful" now.

[markos]

Fkn lol @ dishwasher loading and unloading...between that and washing my hands at a short basin, deadlift DOMS and any other back pain can go to hell.

I'm far from lifting at your level Nick, and I hope this doesn't sound demotivating...but my recent shoulder injury has made me consider how far I want to go with lifting weights, before I'm lifting with a signficantly greater degree of risk to my body and everyday life. All well and good for me to brag about what I could bench when I was in my 20s, but if I can't raise my arm above my shoulder in my 40s, I don't want any part in it.

I remember being pissed off at plateauing on a 115kg bench. Now I'd be happy just being able to bench my body weight. Guess it's like gambling at a casino...you always want to win more, but then you end up down, and all you want is the money back that you came in with.

I realise some are passionate about their sport, to the point where nothing will keep them from it. Respect for that...but me...I'd like to think I know when to fold em. Life goes on outside of the gym; food for thought. Hope you make a speedy recovery and back to breaking PBs / competing in lifting

From my 30+ years in the gym, lifting and training lifters, injuries like you describe come from muscle imbalances, considering how light the weights you use are. Your injuries have nothing to do with age etc.

Nick mentioned Wayne, mid 40's, fallen off roofs and broken his back twice, so he joined PTC. He now deadlifts 230kg and squats 200kg

Spiros is 48, he benches 165kg and squats 250kg x 3

I dont even need to assume you have not trained your body correctly by the weights you use.

There are plenty of 40yo guys who cant raise there arm, none were taught to train correctly, especially if they only benched 115kg

Give up because you dont enjoy lifting, but dont give up with a lame excuse like you want mobility when youre older

Nina is 48 and out squats you, shes pretty mobile

Why not come in and say hello one day, will it kill you?

Other old lifters at PTC

James, 64, 217kg deadlift, 165kg squat, 105kg bench

Eddy, 75, 150kg deadlift, 100kg squat, 90kg bench

Barry Murray squatted 200kg x 3 at 55yo on Tuesday at PTC

If anyone doesnt train correctly, they could end up with injuries like you describe at 20yo

Nick from here is 31 and improving every week.

[Birds]

My injury came from boxing, not from imbalances. Nor did I attribute it to getting older. I was predisposed to it from too much heavy bag work and lifting aggravated it when I should have been resting/rehabbing. AC joint is fked. It was about as relevant to a muscle imbalance as saying that Emad's arm break was down to his benching technique. Up until now I've never had an injury in the gym. But sometimes shit just happens in the rest of life and lifting doesn't agree with it.

It has nothing to do with me getting older and wanting to slow down. You only have to watch rev's videos to see what a middle aged person is capable of. I also didn't say anything about stopping lifting; simply finding a level I'm content with and sticking to it for the sake of protecting my quality of life in the latter years. Pushing your limits and risking injury has a correlation...technique can slip when you go for that extra kg. It does and even the most well trained, professional athletes injure themselves this way. How did Nick's back injury come about?

My original comment was only concern for Nick's wellbeing and offering him a viewpoint that he probably won't get from the powerlifting community; that slowing down isn't the worst thing you can do for your body. As I said in the closing statement, I look forward to him making a recovery and seeing him get back to breaking PBs. For some reason people see all this as spitting on the sport of power lifting, so I apologise for that, but I don't regret it - I've met enough debilitated ex athletes to know what they do and don't regret. Nuff said.

[NickR33]

I injured my back through poor technique (a high rep set that fatigued me and I let my form slip)... ignoring pain/tightness and continuing to lift... and most of all no general maintenance in the form of a chiro/osteo etc BEFORE I got hurt

if I had of been seeing someone they would've identified that I lean to my left (muscular/skeletal imbalance) and eventually this would lead to injury

I've still had way more injuries on a basketball court than in a gym... I can see myself able to lift long after I can no longer run and jump my way around a court

[Birds]

Fair enough; all the best with your recovery Nick. It's getting lonely updating this thread.

[NickR33]

thanks mate, you too

[Birds]

90kg x 10

110kg x 10

140kg x 6

90kg x 10

110kg x 10

140kg x 7

So, after 2 months of non-lifting and 3 catchup sessions, I'm back to where I was for 140kg. Felt like giving up after number 6, as my form was starting to give way by then, but I really wanted to get out a 7th and pushed for it (or should that be pulled?).

Next week I will resume splitting up squats and deads on separate days, as I'm slowly adding more exercises since returning from the shoulder injury and can once again justify 4 visits a week instead of just fitting everything into 2. I'm hoping this will open up more potential with my deadlifts, considering my back won't be tired from squats just minutes before. Looking for a repeat of 140kg x 7 and possibly 150-160kg for a couple reps in the next session.

[TTT]

The f**k are you up at 3:52am for?

[Birds]

Squats

You got a problem with that?

[TTT]

I got 99 problem but squats ain't 1

[markos]

Boooooom

[Birds]

90kg x 10

110kg x 10

140kg x 7

Next week I will resume splitting up squats and deads on separate days, as I'm slowly adding more exercises since returning from the shoulder injury and can once again justify 4 visits a week instead of just fitting everything into 2. I'm hoping this will open up more potential with my deadlifts, considering my back won't be tired from squats just minutes before. Looking for a repeat of 140kg x 7 and possibly 150-160kg for a couple reps in the next session.

90kg x 10

110kg x 10

150kg x 4

Cranked out these after bench, squats and leg press. Wow was I taxed. Have to get the split routine going next week for more energy into each exercise. Probably could have done 5 of 150, but form blah blah. Will try for 6 of them next week and then resume 1RM training to snag that 200.

<3 deadlifts

[L33SH]

40kg x 10

50kg x 10

60kg x 5