Deadlift Progress And Improvement Thread

[L33SH]

I did not tell Leesh to continue doing exercise if it hurts, I'm the first to say stop if something feel right. When I told Leesh not to worry and to keep deadlifting, that was based on videos I saw where her form was fine - no knee hitting, just a bit of back rounding, nothing worrying, only because she was lifting heavy.

Again, she takes things a bit out of context and often neglects to mention the full story behind it.

I actually believe it is the step back to lighter weight that is causing her to squat the weight up. The heavier weight at least forced her to straighten her legs first just to get the weight up, because her back was stronger than her legs. Upping weight isn't exactly a good way to teach someone deadlift form, but I'm fairly sure her step back to lighter weight caused the issue.

I agree with rev, you are overthinking the movement Leesh. Deadlift is simultaneously the easiest and hardest movement in the gym.

- Start with the bar up against your shins

- Bend down with straight arms and grip the bar tightly

- Push you chest out and shoulders back (scapular retraction)

- Brace core / straighten lower back (this will automatically dip your hips)

- Lift and lockout

You're the one who told me to go lighter and do lots of reps and sets.

I do all those things you're saying and I'm still having problems. It upsets me when you say it's the easiest movement in the gym because it's not for me

[Birds]

Again, you miss important details like the inclusion of it being the hardest movement at the same time.

Listen

[-FIGJAM-]

or read?

I think Leesh you are over thinking it at the moment, which is putting you off and getting you frustrated.

Maybe take a week of deads to destress from them and then try again in another week with more of a confident/aggressive mind frame towards them.

[jangles]

Again, you miss important details like the inclusion of it being the hardest movement at the same time.

Listen

Not another domestic you two love Birds (see what I did there)

[No Crust Racing]

The problem is Leesh is spending too much time lifting and not enough making sammiches....

AMIRITE?!

Badoom tish

[SRS13]

The problem is Leesh is spending too much time lifting and not enough making sammiches....

AMIRITE?!

Badoom tish

I dont know why but I did lol at that!

Leesh - too much advise can drive you nuts so I'm reluctant to add my 2c.... but I will anyway.... most has been said and you know have to try and make sense of it all. Only thing to add is don't lift with your arms ie don't upright row the weight from the floor and then straighten up the back. it's easier to do with a light weight and maybe why you are bringing it up and hitting your knees. The arms grip the bar and you lift with the rest of the body in one movement. If everything moves together you shouldn't hit your knees, if the weight moves first, then you will hit your knees.

Hope I explained it well enough!

[rev210]

Bar is over mid foot. Not against shin.

[L33SH]

I dont know why but I did lol at that!

Leesh - too much advise can drive you nuts so I'm reluctant to add my 2c.... but I will anyway.... most has been said and you know have to try and make sense of it all. Only thing to add is don't lift with your arms ie don't upright row the weight from the floor and then straighten up the back. it's easier to do with a light weight and maybe why you are bringing it up and hitting your knees. The arms grip the bar and you lift with the rest of the body in one movement. If everything moves together you shouldn't hit your knees, if the weight moves first, then you will hit your knees.

Hope I explained it well enough!

I have no idea what this means

[L33SH]

I thought the bar was meant to stay in contact with the legs the whole time of the lift

[rev210]

No. Thats wrong

[rev210]

And painfull

[rev210]

Pretty sure ptc guy didnt say that?

[L33SH]

yeah he did

[L33SH]

he just wrote me a message saying bar should be close to your body the whole time, even on it

[rev210]

thats not an instruction. its a result. The definition of close is 'relative'. If it's an inche or so away thats still close.

Mid foot is close enough. Vertical lift . Job done.

Your present issue is being 'too close'.

Edited August 15, 2013 by rev210

[Birds]

Dunno about you Dave, but bar above my midfoot is against my shin!

Martin Nyugen was wearing shin guards in one of the PTC vids so there's absolutely nothing wrong with having the bar travel in close proximity with your shins.

Leesh, you don't have to drag the bar up your shins so hard it hurts. Putting weight of the bar against them = bruises. It need only be close or only just touching skin as it travels up. I don't think you should be focusing on this part of the lift other than when setting up. Focus on lifting it, the proximity to your body will come automatically.

[markos]

All my top lifters have scabby shins, just saying

[SRS13]

I have no idea what this means

And I have no idea why I tried explaining!

[rev210]

Dunno about you Dave, but bar above my midfoot is against my shin!

I probably didn't make the point very well. I will try to explain. The shin scrape is a 'result' not a direction to think about.

You aren't saying to yourself ' I must press the bar into my shins...'. Instead your setup and form being right causes it (just happens). I'd say most people biomechanically will touch the shin in the correct position ( I don't, setup is away and mickeys hair on the way up ) . But, whether or not it's just above or scraping along should be the result of the right motion. You mind is on other form elements.

If you are aiming to keep contact with the legs , instead of motion / form , then you might think touching the knees is part of the 'contact with the leg' and try to make contact with them. Leading to the motion going wrong at that point.

[Birds]

90kg x 10

130kg x 9

160kg x 5

170kg x 3

180kg x 1

90kg x 10

130kg x 10

160kg x 5

175kg x 2

180kg x 1

Have changed my form over the last week, to starting in the lifting position, rather than starting in an ATG squat position and using my momentum to get the weight off the floor.

Moved from 170 to 175. Need to bust out a third rep next time. Might move the 180 single up to 185 too.

Pretty happy.