Pre 03 V8 Touring

[R32 Stuart]

Hi All,

Got a new series going - for anyone interested

Car must be Pre 2003 V8 Touring Car, seat belts and fuel cells only have to comply with MRA / CAMs rules not V8 Touring car rules. Diff ratios / tyres are free, 18x11" wheels max, must be 5ltr, H Pattern - thats the basics.

There is 3 rounds in 2013

14th April 2013

30th June 2013

15th Sept 2013

To be run in conjunction with MRA - Sports Sedans this year.

Sunday 3 race program cost $230 ea - (passbook/logbook $20, Series Registration $30 - one off annual).

Private practice may be available Saturday to be confirmed - at Track cost (TBA)

All at Wakefield Park for this year, looking at one of four rounds at Winton (2014) rest at Wakefield Park.

For eligable cars - there will be on offer, various fuel cards @ $25 - $50, and same vouchers from various other supporters ie gift cards. Theses bonuses will be presented to ie best and fairest drive, best team, best fun factor team, best presented car etc.

Still working on the details - contact me Stuart Inwood email [email protected] for interest or ideas.

Entries to be lodged under MRA Sports Sedans - Wakefield Park for 14th April -CAMs log book & licence are fine for first round entered.

If any businesses would like to donate gift / vouchers for rounds or sponsor the series - please contact me for information. Eg windscreen banner $2k per round, for 2013 or $100 to allow purchase of fuel vouchers- in return your business name in program, flyers, noticeboard at event, local media and chance of coverage on Speedweek TV and other media.

If you want to spend more - we have an AU without a sponsor. (Current NSW Sports Sedan Champion). But top priority is to get the old touring cars out of their sheds.

Cheers thanks guys - please pass it around - most appreciated

[evil_weevil]

Hopefully you get a few old girls out of the shed for next mra round Stu. I'll see you there.

[Risking]

So your running a AASA version of the kuhmo series??

Are you planning to check eligibility via Supercar history or is it open to any "touring car"

Example could a New Zealand VY touring car run?

I might actually be keen to bring my VY GRM chassis to a round if it takes off.

Are engines required to be period for the car or free?

So would a 2012 spec 888 engine in a VY be eligible?

Wouldn't want to go back to the old 18deg chev.

[Risking]

If you can send me draft of the regs or what your thinking of for regs Stuart that'd be great.

I've got a couple of early cars that could be run but myself and the owners wouldn't want to devalue them by changing away from V8 touring regs by much if anything.

[R32 Stuart]

Hi Brad,

Will get futher regs when they are sorted, but firstly any touring car pre the 31st December 2002 is welcome, maximum 5ltr - engine block must be that of vehicle manufacturer.

The main plan is to get older, unchanged cars back onto the track - hence the reason we are not replacing our engine in Falcon with a 6ltr, thoughts crossed my mind for Sports Sedans but did not want to do cage or any redesigns to car, so keeping 5lt as per SBR, hence not devalueing car. But be able to afford entry fee and have good clean racing. Should go well.

The 18 inch wheel option has been added for safety, most 17" were magnesium, beyond their use by date, I know we bin'd 12 out of 20. 18" have better tyre choice, price and more available. New rims are similar price.

Next round on the 14th could possibly be a bit quiet, plenty of interest for the 2 later rounds and next year.

Cheers Stuart

[Risking]

Sounds like it could work.

Was kuhmo to expensive and rough for you?

I don't particularly like paying for a controlled ecu which I can't even live tune.

The latest team dynamics wheels are affordable but its the captive nuts that are the killer.

[Risking]

Why not open the category to any touring car that's not eligible to run in DVS??

[R32 Stuart]

Wheels nuts are a bit crazy - cost wise aren't they.

Not here to bag Shannons / Kumho - not to rough, (maybe just a bit flash for me) too expensive for our budget - simple as that.

We have picked this date (pre03) at random for vehicles, on feedback over the last month. Hence the reason we will be running with sports sedans for the 3 rounds this year and your and other feedback is appreciated.

If there is any issues on classing, cars will still be eligable if log booked and pass scrutineering to run within Sports Sedan. I feel this is a great benefit to sort and build what class is required. There is many questions and there is going to be many more, for example what do you do with an AU 99 build with BA Aero front only. I would say it can't run, but for the moment it will be in sports sedan, for the sole reason the car is pre 03, aero is not. The chassis is part therefore, and for this reason this year, this vehicle is also eligable for gift / fuel vouchers on offer, if the driver fits the standards we are looking at for the series.

So therefore, what we are asking is for people to enter a eligable car and conform to a good friendly budget race series. That sounds basic doesnt it, with the view to chatting with many to get a good base set of rules developed for 2014 series.

We are only trying to get a series going we are quite happy with response.

This is not a national series, I am already in the poo because of the date picked on acceptance - eg so why shouldn't a low budget BF be able to run? My answer to this, if I could afford a BF I would hope to be taking advantage of it.

Anyways for the time Pre 03 is it, clean fun racing for a day $230 - (plus annual fee, passbook /log $20 registration $30 - both to MRA)

For this season anyone that is unsure while we are sorting the rules out, don't be shy to ask any questions and turn up - at the worst you might get upgraded to Sports Sedan - its the same sheep station at the end of the day, as long as we all do 3 races and enjoy.

Cheers Stuart and Karen

[Risking]

On the holden side of the bench the VS,VT,VX are all clear. The problem may face you with the VY. It was first produced in 2002 and ran till 2004,

My VY is an 02 GRM spec car and raced in the same year. There is VY's that were run and built up to 2004 though which makes your 03 rule hard to enforce if you knock back one VY that was built in 04 you can't really let one from 02 run as they are essentially the exact same car.

Maybe the vehicle model should be the governing rule like it is with DVS?

Like all VY models are eligible as holden produced them pre 03 but VZ is not?

Same for the ford guys the first BA ran in supercars August 2002 from memory right up till 2005?

Maybe you need to say BA is eligible but BF isn't?

It's easy to find out when a Supercar via chassis never first raced but once they get AASA logbooks it won't be that easy to identify some cars unless you know their history.

You could end up with 04 HRT VY's running as 02 model cars just to be eligible.

[R32 Stuart]

Thanks Risking - yes as long as the model was produced pre03, An 04 commodore VY is fine and BA Falcon is still fine. The Pre 03 year is a base point for other vehicles as well, as super tourers are also welcome ie BMW's, Audi's etc

VY with VZ aero is out, same with AU or BA Falcon with BF Aero. As you are aware the aero in this era made a huge time difference to vehicles.

Basically looks like rules will be as per Shannons V8 Touring Car series as a base with what we have come up with so far below.

At the moment;

Eligable drivers - apprecitive of their vehicle and others

Eligable vehicles are front engine manufacturer pre 2003 / model build

Roll Cage CAMs approved

Engine must be maximum 5ltr at 10:1 compression ratio

Fuel must be maximum 100 ron // E85 N/A - will be in Sports Sedan

Gear box must be H pattern

Rim diameter 18" x 10"

ECU free

Tyre choice free

Diff Ratio's free

Fuel Cell - CAMs spec for Sports Sedan

Seat Belts - CAMs spec for Sports Sedan

Seat - CAMs spec for Sports Sedan

Fire Extinguishers - as per current CAMs Sports Sedan Rules (but highly recommend 1kg minimum)

Brake pads and rotors free

Aero forward facing radius minimum 15mm to comply with Schedule F (CAMs) and class

Racing Attire minimum FAI 8856 - 2000

Noise as per track requirements

Thanks - your thoughts

[Risking]

Why no E85?

It's readily available, has benefits and a lot of older touring cars have been converted

[R32 Stuart]

Sorry Brad Nitrous is available too (my car needs it lol), E85 is out for this class, not available at the time these cars were running and the whole plan is to keep these cars even and budget friendly. E85 cars can run in Sports Sedans with us this year, and it looks like with the support we are receiving some gift cards / vouchers will be going to Sports Sedans anyways

Cheers

[R32 Stuart]

_{I would like to thank our new series Sponsor for 2013 - Windscreen Banner - Gary's Motorsport Tyres}

_{Also thanks to some gift / fuel voucher supporters to date;}

_{Gary's Motorsport Tyres}

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_{Tutton Plumbing}

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_{All looks good in a week}

_Cheers

_Stuart

[R32 Stuart]

Update::: on work in progress

NEW SERIES Touring Cars Pre 03 EXHUMED

At Wakefield Park / MRA Proudly supported by Gary's Motorsport Tyres –

14th April, 30th June and 15th September
Do you have an old touring car in the shed? Would like to see it on the track.

Hi All
Introducing a 3 Series - 3 Race Program this year in conjunction with MRA Sport Sedans
and for 2014 4 Round – 3 Race Series.

Fuel / Gift Vouchers up for grabs - not necessarily to winners of the event - ie best drive, team, officials draw etc.

Entries - (Log book $20 - once off, Registration $30 PA AASA) – Event Entries @ $230 per round

So far here's the rules; work in progress this year-
1) Eligible drivers must appreciate their vehicle and others - non contact, no blocking. AASA or Cams license required (Circuit)
2) Eligible vehicles Must comply with schedule A & B of CAMs manual with the below exceptions
- manufactured pre 2003 model – Touring Car
- must be front mount engine
- maximum engine size of 5ltr
- maximum compression ratio 10:1
- engine must be same as vehicle manufacturer
- ECU is Free
- Copies of early touring cars may be eligible
3) Roll Cage, seat, seat belts as per CAMs rules for Sports Sedans
4) Fuel maximum of 100 RON - E85 not eligible
5) Gear Box - H pattern with operable reverse and manual / Hyd operated clutch
6) Diff Ratios - free
7) Brake pads and rotors - free, other than only 1 rotor per wheel - no water cooling
8) Tyres and Rims - tyres are free must be of race purpose construction, maximum rim size 18 x 10"
9) Safety - Helmet minimum requirement AS1698. Suit, gloves, boots - minimum required 8856-2000.
Fire Extinguishers - Minimum 2 x 1kg current extinguishers available in garage - 1 of can be in vehicle. (Recommended)

Please contact

Stuart Inwood

H: 02 6337 2545

M: 0418 202047

Email: [email protected]

[Risking]

Cams don't allow sports sedans to run a larry bar. Yet most touring cars your trying to attract up to 2003 have them fitting.

No water cooler brakes, again most cars use them close to and after 2001/2.

E85 is common place in Motorsport now. Obviously it requires a fuel cell change and fuel system update. Something maybe your not particularly wanting to do so easier to say no E85?

Every car you have targeted is designed to be used on 17 inch wheels. Why would you say 18's when there is an obundance of Team dynamics 2012 wheels in stock at cheap prices that actually fit the cars? Does your car run 18's?

Have you actually approached owners of touring cars and asked them what they thought of the idea?

On here you and I are the only ones who own touring cars. I've got several cars we work closely with and some expressed interest untill I told them some of the basic rules you put forward.

As a suggestion why don't you just say it must be an ex competing V8 Supercar with a logbook as evidence. The car must be presented to race as it was in the period of Supercar competition with the following exceptions.

*must have completed its V8 Supercar competitive racing by the end of 2007 (2007 is the end of sequential boxes and opens the doors to kuhmo competitors but not DVS etc more targeted cars)

*ecu is free (good call as the controlled M4 is rubbish)

*tires are free

*diff ratio is free (not that anyone would need to change it)

*engine choice is free provided it has been used in Supercar competition by a team of the same manufacturer.(so an ext HRT HMS engine could be used in a different teams holden etc)

Those rules eliminate sequential boxes (didn't happen till 2008), E85 cars ruled out etc.

Fair enough the older strut front end cars like the AU,VT,VX etc would not be as competitive against the latter wishbone type cars of the BA/VY etc but the aim should be cars on the grid.

[R32 Stuart]

My cars logged 3D Touring Car - we have been through this with CAMs the cage is complied to run 3D Sports Sedans, you can't build a new car with a Larry bar - some say.

Shannons is on this weekend at SMP.

We have spoken to many owners of older cars, and this is where we are at.

Thanks for your reply