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Went to the QLD club tech night at fulcrum last night and I have about 9 degrees toe in on the rear, the left adjustment is bound up due to being very close to the exhaust and Fulcrum guys were worried it would snap. They recommended I goto nissan and get a new Pin, went to 2 dealerships today they have nfi what im talking about and claim its all aftermarket.

I tried telling them that its an N/A non hicas rear end without the hicas adjustment there and they refused to look they just kept saying it must be aftermarket >< ... so I failed on both accounts so I am looking at getting some adjustable rear toe arms to sort this out asap.

Can anyone recommend a decent brand to look at? Not interested in dodgy ebay items as I would like my suspension to stay intact but not chasing the most expensive bling either, just a good solid item

I am looking at these but not sure if they are the goods?

http://www.gktech.com/index.php/s14-s15-r33-r34-rear-toe-arms-sold-out-more-eta-late-july.html

on the GK page it says rose joint suspension is not legal for Australian roads? I have rose joints on my front end and never had a problem ?

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why not roadworthy? I thought they were safer than bushes

Something is more likely to break or crack with rose joints IMO. There's more much brittleness in the parts compared to a bush. Also debries can get in there and they probably wont last as long as a bush.

Why not get the best of both worlds?

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Because those big rubber bushes wibble and wobble and allow an amazing amount of fore-aft movement of the lower control arm.

The reason rose joints are illegal (well, unroadworthy, anyway) is that they are prone to wear because they have little protection from the entry of dust and grit into the joint. Even the "protected" ones are not really that good.

But they are the duck's nuts for taking all the slop out of caster arms. I wouldn't be without mine. Well, apart from the last few months while the car was getting ready to go over the pits, and that sucked!

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Because those big rubber bushes wibble and wobble and allow an amazing amount of fore-aft movement of the lower control arm.

The reason rose joints are illegal (well, unroadworthy, anyway) is that they are prone to wear because they have little protection from the entry of dust and grit into the joint. Even the "protected" ones are not really that good.

But they are the duck's nuts for taking all the slop out of caster arms. I wouldn't be without mine. Well, apart from the last few months while the car was getting ready to go over the pits, and that sucked!

Don't be so sure about wobble wobble, Polyurethane can be made so stiff they are close to solid bushes with a little give for ridiculous amounts of force which you wouldn't want to resonate through the car anyway. Even the softest ones are way stiffer than stock rubber bushes, and you dont see too many people complaining about wobble wobble in a brand new sports car etc.

As for rose joints, why dont people just put rubber boots over them? Heck why don't they come with boots out of the factory. If thats their biggest downfall seems like a simple thing to solve.

Please dont tell me the 30g of boot rubber will add weight to the car lol.

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Hmm.. I was told my rose joints are pretty nackered + cheap jap brand unknown..

I was looking at getting new ones but wasn't aware they we're illegal.

By the time I get my car back on the road I'll probably get defected for half the stuff again!

Pisses me off its getting harder and harder to own an import..

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my last polyurethane castor rod bushes split, barely lasted a year.

if you want legal adjustable suspension on the cheap you can get the eccentric bushes that you press into arms/ rear hub uprights where the center is offset of alloy and the surrounding is polyurethane so you just adjust the center with a pair of pliers or such.

or if you want it to handle even better get adjustable rose jointed arms all round and just swap it out like i do myself if you need a rwc for some reason

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Yer if it was thst easy I would of done that but its not lock bar out rod end out then what punch out rod end bolds from nuckle cos it dose not just fit surely someone has fitted them , what about the other side

Thanks for the advice have you fitted them in your car?????

If so show us a pic of your stright forward swop so I can see !

Thsnks

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I have pulled every arm off the back end of my car at one time or another. A lot of Penetrene and patience has been needed at times, but they all just come off in the way that you'd expect. If you're having trouble with the tapers, then you need a pickle fork or ball joint splitter or a couple of hammers. Usual technique for splitting tapers.

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On 5/4/2013 at 1:10 AM, GTSBoy said:

Because those big rubber bushes wibble and wobble and allow an amazing amount of fore-aft movement of the lower control arm.

The reason rose joints are illegal (well, unroadworthy, anyway) is that they are prone to wear because they have little protection from the entry of dust and grit into the joint. Even the "protected" ones are not really that good.

But they are the duck's nuts for taking all the slop out of caster arms. I wouldn't be without mine. Well, apart from the last few months while the car was getting ready to go over the pits, and that sucked!

Is this still the case?

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