Modifications And Defects In Nsw

[ja-90-ck]

Are Turbo Timers illegal modifications in NSW?

Are BOV's illegal modifications in NSW?

Are FMI illegal modifications in NSW?

Are Boost Controllers illegal modifications in NSW?

If so, can the above become legalised with the addition of a engineering cert?

If not, why can these illegal mods be sold in australia and so easily assessable? Unlike for example lock picking implements which are impossible to find nation wide?

[discoPumpkin]

If not, why can these illegal mods be sold in australia and so easily assessable? Unlike for example lock picking implements which are impossible to find nation wide?

4 track use obviously. And why r u tryin to find lock picking implements?

ps all those mods r illegal except fmic

Edited May 9, 2013 by discoPumpkin

[ja-90-ck]

4 track use obviously. And why r u tryin to find lock picking implements?

ps all those mods r illegal except fmic

I used to own lock picks as a hobby of mine which i purchased overseas, until they where confiscated from the police. thank you for you're response

[Kane_R32]

Possibly the worst thread on SAU atm....

Any modification to a car is technically "illegal" unless a engineering certificate is provided.

Why is it possible to sell a gun if it has the ability to kill people?

[ja-90-ck]

Possibly the worst thread on SAU atm....

Any modification to a car is technically "illegal" unless a engineering certificate is provided.

Why is it possible to sell a gun if it has the ability to kill people?

If its the worst thread atm then I'm delighted to hear you spared a minute or so to involve yourself.

If its only legal to modify a track car with the above mods then people with track cars should be the only ones accessible to them?

Just like in chemists where proof of ID is required to purchase some drugs.

[GTSBoy]

Turbo timers, for example, are illegal because pretty much all states have a law saying it is illegal to leave a car running unattended (as in park it and walk away while it's still running).

Externally venting BOVs on a car that did not have one originally (think old old Porsche maybe) are illegal because you are modifying the emissions control system (think about it if you can't understand why a BOV represents an emissions issue) and also because they are stupidly noisy and therefore exceed noise laws. If you were to replace a factory BOV with a recirculating aftermarket one you could still be defected, but getting it engineered would be a trivial exercise (if you could find an engineer who wasn't backlogged up for the next 3 years). You could also probably argue it by the side of the road that it's there because you tried buying 3 or 4 secondhand factory ones and couldn't get one that still worked properly....and cross your fingers that the cop is smart enough to understand your point but not smart enough to know you're bullshitting him. Regardless, it is a nonsense to want a different BOV anyway.

Boost controllers are not legal because they are a modification of the emissions control system (which includes the ECU - which is "calibrated" for factory boost) and therefore if you increase boost you are doing things to the vehicle's emissions that are not within the "approval" that the car has for the ADRs as it was sold.

[GTSBoy]

Don't be daft. Drugs, guns, etc are inherently dangerous things, and so are controlled. It is not illegal to midify a car with these things. It is just illegal to operate it on the road. Private property is immune to these rules. Why would you want to see more strictly contolling laws on ANYTHING than is absolutely necessary? That would be mental.

If its the worst thread atm then I'm delighted to hear you spared a minute or so to involve yourself.

If its only legal to modify a track car with the above mods then people with track cars should be the only ones accessible to them?

Just like in chemists where proof of ID is required to purchase some drugs.

[ja-90-ck]

Don't be daft. Drugs, guns, etc are inherently dangerous things, and so are controlled. It is not illegal to midify a car with these things. It is just illegal to operate it on the road. Private property is immune to these rules. Why would you want to see more strictly contolling laws on ANYTHING than is absolutely necessary? That would be mental.

How many people do you honestly think only modify their car for purposes other than use on public roads?

Edited May 9, 2013 by ja-90-ck

[ja-90-ck]

Turbo timers, for example, are illegal because pretty much all states have a law saying it is illegal to leave a car running unattended (as in park it and walk away while it's still running).

Externally venting BOVs on a car that did not have one originally (think old old Porsche maybe) are illegal because you are modifying the emissions control system (think about it if you can't understand why a BOV represents an emissions issue) and also because they are stupidly noisy and therefore exceed noise laws. If you were to replace a factory BOV with a recirculating aftermarket one you could still be defected, but getting it engineered would be a trivial exercise (if you could find an engineer who wasn't backlogged up for the next 3 years). You could also probably argue it by the side of the road that it's there because you tried buying 3 or 4 secondhand factory ones and couldn't get one that still worked properly....and cross your fingers that the cop is smart enough to understand your point but not smart enough to know you're bullshitting him. Regardless, it is a nonsense to want a different BOV anyway.

Boost controllers are not legal because they are a modification of the emissions control system (which includes the ECU - which is "calibrated" for factory boost) and therefore if you increase boost you are doing things to the vehicle's emissions that are not within the "approval" that the car has for the ADRs as it was sold.

Thank you for you're response you have helped clear some things for me.

[discoPumpkin]

Ja90 does have a point tho,if these things are illegal there to selling us then, why dont we need to show them a track or CAMS license to show proof of intent for the racetrack/drag strip only. mmmm oh i no more GST, its what makes the world go around. Then when they defect use for the illegal bits its even more revenue raising from the fines.

Like GTS said, better of staying stock or get the mods mod plated (legal modifications) to meet ADR still, more expensive but then u have proof if u get pulled over.

[R TUNE]

How can turbo timers be illegal when they are sold as factory item in some cars.

Edited May 9, 2013 by R TUNE

[ja-90-ck]

How can turbo timers be illegal when they are sold as factory item in some cars.

Im not familiar with any stock cars with turbo timers? What are the ones you know of?

[GTSBoy]

Absolutely. There are no turbo timers in ADR approved cars.

Turbo timers were created for use on heavy diesel industrial machinery, where the aim is to protect the investment in a very expensive big engine, and to a lesser extent road trucks. I don't know if trucks have an exemption to the law regarding being left running unattended or not. It is possible, because trucks also have exemptions for lots of other ADRs (headlight height, etc).

[Blitz]

How can turbo timers be illegal when they are sold as factory item in some cars.

Such as?

[Dose Pipe Sutututu]

Maybe he's mistaken with idle timers on buses/trucks.. the motor switches off after long periods of idle.

[Kane_R32]

Most aftermarket parts come with a disclaimer "for off road use only".

[JordansR32]

Pretty much the only way to look at it is, and the cops will do the same, if its not standard its illegal(with most cases of modifying cars)

[portaz]

A turbo timer Is the same in trucks buses or cars but in cars I think it just makes them look for other stuff

[s213b]

If your so worried about what's legal & what's not, excessive revs, speed, noise, loss of traction are all illigal, so why not buy a Honda instead?

[discoPumpkin]

If your so worried about what's legal & what's not, excessive revs, speed, noise, loss of traction are all illigal, so why not buy a Honda instead?