Basic Roll Cage Options And Saftey

[No Crust Racing]

My car doesn't have a cage at all and though it's only mildly powered it can still achieve enough speed at Winton to cause serious injury if I ever had a big accident.

I have an OK seat but was wondering if it's worth me looking at a basic half cage so I can add a harness, or maybe just a harness bar?

Not looking to fully cage the car or anything but looking to maybe improve the safety aspect.

I also find that my helmet can rub the roof lining sometimes if I bump around too much and wonder if it's worth me re-mounting the seat to get lower?

Was just looking at something basic like this - http://www.ebay.com....75c947e6&_uhb=1

And adding a harness.

I was also thinking about whether a Karting style neck brace would give some added protection also, in lieu of having a HANs capable helmet. Or maybe a motorcross style one?

Thoughts?

Edited May 10, 2013 by ActionDan

[Hattori Hanzo 69]

you value your life at $399 from china?

go to "Cams Schedule J Regs" google that, and within the regs is advertising for cage suppliers get something decent, aussie made, might save your life. will cost a grand or so for a half cage

[No Crust Racing]

They have a cams cage also.

http://holfordmotors.com/store/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=199

My point is, I'm assuming "something" plus a harness is going to be a step in the right direction, at the moment there is nothing and I see a lot of cars at those timed lap days like that.

[No Crust Racing]

OR would a basic harness bar and a harness be a better idea than a cheap cage.

Given that a half cage will not have side intrusion bars anyway and I'd be fairly unlucky to roll at Winton.

[Hattori Hanzo 69]

something is always better than nothing, but i wouldnt get lured into a false sense of security at 399 for fine china

[No Crust Racing]

Yeah understood, hence the harness bar question.

If the budget is limited and you just want to add some extra safety, what's the best option.

Harness bar and harness but no cheap cage?

Cheap cage + harness bar and harness?

Or is it simply a case of nothing adds safety until it's big dollars.

[dan.1337]

I'm also starting to look at cages and have seen some good things written about Brown Davis cages

http://www.browndavis.com.au/motorsportcages.html

In my non-professional opinion, a half cage is enough to stop the roof caving in on you in a roll, and a harness would stop you from potentially bouncing around hitting stuff if you do roll. That's what I would be after.

Will be tracking this thread as I'm interested in people sharing experience or actual knowledge on safety differences for a full vs half cage and harness vs no harness.

[Risking]

something is always better than nothing, but i wouldnt get lured into a false sense of security at 399 for fine china

You couldn't be more wrong with the first statement you make.

Ill elaborate latter when I have more time.

[75coupe]

Interested in this as well as i have some takatas and sparco fixed backs, need either harness bar or half cage for track days

[KezR33]

Interested in this as well as i have some takatas and sparco fixed backs, need either harness bar or half cage for track days

+1

[No Crust Racing]

Brad you do a s13 bolt in dont you? What are they worth?

With a harness bar.

Edited May 10, 2013 by ActionDan

[KezR33]

Hey Dan,

Slightly unrelated question, but how does a good seat work with a standard seatbelt?

I plan on doing the whole package soon, but my budget is limited ATM.

[No Crust Racing]

One of my fav mods Kez.

Mine is fully fixed so the communication with the Chassis is excellent.

Set belt goes over fine but obviously not as safe as running a harness.

[KezR33]

Looking at your picture it doesn't look too secure across your lap. Would it be less safe than the standard seat + belt?

[Risking]

90% or commercial bolt in cages are far worse than having no cage at all. Particularly if you have a harness bar on them.

The majority of them bolt through the floor pan in the corner of the sil and rear seat pan. This section of floor is single skin and spot welded to the sil panel and the seat pan.

Your seat is not mounted primarily to the floor pan but more so to the Sil and tunnel.

In a roll over the cage WILL break the spot welds off and the main hoop will go through the floor.

Your seat will remain in position so a couple of things happen.

The harness' will crush your seat as the hoop goes down (particularly if the harness bar is in the main hoop.

The hoop becomes closer to your head and can put pressure on your neck in a big roll.

A light roll over this wont happen, you'd survive just fine and walk away. But chances are your walk away from a light roll over with no cage as well.

Good half cages if bolted in are bolted to a plate that's welded to the top of the rear seat pan and has captive nuts on the underside of it.

The seat pan isn't going anywhere in a hurry and its actually a more structural part of the car.

[No Crust Racing]

Kez: the seat holds me in very well and the belt actually sits on me, but I'm probably thicker than you lol

Risking: PM me some prices if you ship cages.

[Hattori Hanzo 69]

just got a price today for my GTR build, $2,200 weld in half cage compliant to schedule j

[Risking]

As a guide a basic bolt in half starts at $770.

What does that half cage include for $2200?

My full cages start at $2200 and my half cages end at $1800 welded in for a comprehensive one

[KezR33]

Where are you located Risking?

[Risking]

Campbeltown, south of Sydney.