Basic Roll Cage Options And Saftey

[No Crust Racing]

Pardon my ignorance but which join is the slip join?

Where the backstays join the main hoop?

[Risking]

Correct. They slip together and have two bolts holding them.

Its a recognised method of attaching legs and perfectly fine to do but a fully welded joint is best.

The way AGI do theirs is a better design with the 44mm tube and 38mm tube slid inside it. The fence post clamp together joins are rubbish.

[No Crust Racing]

So what's your equivalent product then?

I was considering that cage with the two diagonals (assuming it adds head protection for both occupants in a roll). Then welding in some base plates to bolt too. That's 880 delivered and painted.

What would your cage, painted and freighted cost and what work would I have to do when it gets here.

[Risking]

I wouldn't put both diagonals in the hoop.

One in the hoop and one in the rear legs with a harness bar in the main hoop as well.

Main hoop

Two rear legs

Harness bar

Hoop diagonal

Rear leg diagonal

12.9 high tensile bolts

Plates to be welded to body.

TIG welded (ER70s-2 filler rod)

German CDS material.

Ill do that cage for $770 plus the deliver cost which would probably be $140-$150.

When you get it you'll need to remove the seats and centre console

Remove the seat belts and rear trim etc.

Weld in the base plates for the main hoop

Drill holes for the rear leg plates

Bolt the cage to the base plates and then reinstall the seats, harness and trim etc.

[No Crust Racing]

OK, is that painted also?

And do you know, is cage padding a requirement on a half cage?

[Risking]

Yeah I paint them basic Saturn black.

No padding needed for a half cage

[No Crust Racing]

OK cool<sub>, thanks for your help so far.

So to confirm, that cage comes as one piece fully welded and the only bolts are the ones used to fix it to the welded plates the car (are the plates meant to be welded for the backstays as well?).</sub>

<sub>Also, do you do/know what the best option is for lowering the seat.

My helmet sits too close to the roof at the moment.

I can see ways to get it lower but wondered if you offered something off the shelf.

Also, I assume it's most beneficial to TIG weld the plates in or is MIG sufficient for that weld?</sub>

Edited May 13, 2013 by ActionDan

[No Crust Racing]

Further to my questions above, another member has contacted me explaining that he'd like a cage too so with that in mind, is there the possibility of a discount on the cage or freight if we order 2? Would they both fit on one pallet etc?

He's currently waiting for pics from Roy, but if you have any now is a good time to throw some up.

[Risking]

No off the shelf solutions for seats I'm afraid.

Mig welding plates to the floor is the only way. TIG welding to a floor pan is very difficult and ugly.

I'm sure two cages could go on one pallet yes.

I don't actually have photos of troys cage. I do that many I don't normally take photos anymore.

I think there may be some in his build thread though.

[No Crust Racing]

Does this look like it?

[Risking]

That's it

[Roy]

Does this look like it?

I demand $50 from anyone that posts pics of my car

Brad must have taken that pic as it doesnt look like one of mine.

It is SCHMICK! I am not saying that because its my car. I am not saying that because Risking is on the forum. I had the BD cage and was happy with it generally for the 2 or so years I had it. It isnt a question of better or worse etc. I got what I asked for from BD. If I had of articulated my requirements better I would have paid more and probably got what I was after but was mostly scared of rendering the back seat completely useless for storage of tyres and bags on a trip to the track

When I knew what I really wanted Brad was able to give it to me. I can still fit two 17" rims in the back seat. two in the passenger seat and fuel in the boot. When a recliner seat is in it goes a fair way back for some zzzzz when I am doing the Melb-Syd drive at night. Its all I could ask for since my thing is only a club car and needs to be driven on a daily basis

[No Crust Racing]

Well you'd better post your own pics like you said you were going to Bris...

[Roy]

It was dark, cold and you posted that pic. Its some scaffolding in the back of a car! LOL I rode into work today so good chance of being home before dark and will post up some better deail pics

[No Crust Racing]

Sure sure....

[No Crust Racing]

What do people think of something like this harness wise?

http://www.revolutionracegear.com.au/index.php?PCID=10413&PSO=245&PSID=9193133&PSV=Primary&CDO=

I thought at least 5pt for the anti submarine belt.

[No Crust Racing]

Or this?

http://www.gogear.com.au/products/harnesses/ultra-shiled-latch-link/

[hrd-hr30]

SFI standard belts are only good for 2yrs from date of manufacture.

Better off buying FIA, or Aus/Euro Std belts.

Edited May 14, 2013 by hrd-hr30

[No Crust Racing]

What this Harry?

Racer industries has it for $160inc gst plus shipping.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/DA515HST-OMP-5-POINT-RACING-HARNESS-3-STRAPS-IN-RED-NEW-MODEL-/330919831794?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d0c5be8f2&_uhb=1

[No Crust Racing]

Oh wait NM, that's SFI also.

Any good suggestions?